Author Topic: Bishop Williamsons Appeal (Read 54247 times)

clare · « **Reply #150 on:** July 30, 2011, 10:15:45 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

What's revealing in relation to Ignis Ardens as of yet none of the moderating staff have made a reply to this remark from Ashmolean. Do they agree with him in relation to his Lordship?

I haven't responded to Nemmersdorf's reply either, so I suppose that must mean I agree with him too.

clare · « **Reply #151 on:** July 30, 2011, 10:17:17 AM »

Look, John Grace.

If you have something to say about a posting on Ignis, why not say it on Ignis?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #152 on:** July 30, 2011, 10:25:14 AM »

Quote from: clare

Look, John Grace.

If you have something to say about a posting on Ignis, why not say it on Ignis?

...Because his comments would just be deleted and he'd be banned, I'm guessing.

clare · « **Reply #153 on:** July 30, 2011, 10:56:16 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: clare
Look, John Grace.

If you have something to say about a posting on Ignis, why not say it on Ignis?

...Because his comments would just be deleted and he'd be banned, I'm guessing.

People make an awful lot of false assumptions here, and I am powerless to correct them.

Ethelred · « **Reply #154 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:41:28 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: clare
Look, John Grace.

If you have something to say about a posting on Ignis, why not say it on Ignis?

...Because his comments would just be deleted and he'd be banned, I'm guessing.

Yes indeed, because one's comments would just be deleted and/or one would be banned, I'm knowing from personal experience.

Ignis Ardens is <edit by moderator: please stick to the facts please. We're traditional Catholics here.> No place to seriously discuss traditional catholic topics, let alone topics concerning the brave Bishop Williamson.

Hollingsworth, Wessex and a few others try to be serious over there, but in the end they just throw pearls before swine.

Europe, and England in particular (see "Irlmaier"), can only be saved by another Flood. If you listen very carefully, you can already hear the brawl of it.

JPaul · « **Reply #155 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:21:30 PM »

Quote from: clare

Look, John Grace.

If you have something to say about a posting on Ignis, why not say it on Ignis?

Sounds fair, give it a try John. Test the waters, discern the spirits etc..

Ethelred · « **Reply #156 on:** August 01, 2011, 09:19:29 AM »

Quote from: Ethelred

P.S. The quote: "The poor, sick Pope BXVI and all his heresies" is a direct-quote from Bishop Tissier when he ordinated priests in Germany's Zaitzkofen on June 30, 2007.

The direct quote of Bishop Tissier's German sermon on June 30, 2007 is:
"Der arme, kranke Papst mit all seinen Häresien."

So a more accurate English translation should be:
"The poor, sick Pope with all his heresies."

Just to be on the safe side. My initial translation should mean nearly the same? I am sorry in case it did not. It's much easier to read English texts than to write, for us non-native English speakers. Well, before the Babylonian Tower that matter was simpler. :-)

Wessex · « **Reply #157 on:** August 01, 2011, 03:12:41 PM »

Ethelred, your language skills put us to shame. On holiday one does not want to be just a tourist. And how separation by language assists in the practice of divide and rule! Not that I am an advocate of pluralism .......

Ethelred · « **Reply #158 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:14:58 AM »

The good Nemmersdorf reported some news on the actual topic in the same named IA thread. I just reformat his post a little bit and insert some headings :

Bishop Williamson's Appeal in Regensburg 4 July 2011

To COMPLETE the first newspaper reports on the Bishop Williamson’s appeal 4 July 2011, here is a translation (not Google) of the two newspaper articles stating what ‘the legal representative of the German section of the SSPX’, Maximilian Krah, said in court (when called as a witness) ABOUT THE BISHOP:

1) "Williamson-Prozess: Bunter Vogel, brauner Schwarm"
www.regensburg-digital.de

Quote from: Regensburg-Digital

Pius brothers keep their distance

The SSPX is trying, however, increasingly to distance themselves from their famous or infamous bishop. The lawyer for the Pius brothers, Maximilian Krah, appearing as a witness, described Williamson as a person to whom “the idea that something positive could happen, is in general alien”. He was a “colourful bird” without any special function or prominent position, who essentially “for reasons of mercy” had not been thrown out of the Society.

Original German text:

Pius-Brüder gehen auf Distanz
Die Pius-Bruderschaft ist indessen bemüht, immer mehr auf Distanz zu ihrem berühmt-berüchtigtem Bischof zu gehen. Der als Zeuge geladene Rechtsanwalt der Pius-Brüder Maximilian Krah bezeichnet Williamson als einen Menschen, dem „die Vorstellung, dass etwas Positives passieren könnte, generell fremd“ sei. Er sei ein „bunter Vogel“ ohne besondere Funktion oder herausgehobene Stellung, der vor allem „aus Gründen der Barmherzigkeit“ nicht aus der Bruderschaft geworfen werde.

2) "Prozess gegen Bischof Williamson Plaudern über Gaskammern"
www.sueddeutsche.de

Quote from: Süddeutsche

What had been intended by the Landgericht Regensburg as a hearing of witnesses, was also a public distancing of the SSPX from her own brother bishop Richard Williamson. The h0Ɩ0cαųst denier and traditionalist Bishop was said to have a “persistent problem with recognizing reality”.

It is hardly possible to distance themselves much further from one of their members than is being done by a Catholic community of priests. Bishop Richard Williamson is an eccentric, one who has a “persistent problem with recognizing reality” and who with “monotonous regularity assumes the end of the world every two years”. This is what was said on Monday in Regensburg by Maximilian Krah, the legal representative of the German section of St. Pius X, about Williamson, one of their own community. And he summarized in these words: “Colourful bird hits it on the nail, I think.” What had been intended by the Landgericht Regensburg as a hearing of witnesses was also a public distancing of the order from their fallen brother, about whose actions (exploits) once again a court was called upon to consider. Again the question arises: Does a British subject render himself liable to prosecution, if in an interview with a Swedish television station on German soil he denies the h0Ɩ0cαųst?

Original German text:

Was vom Landgericht Regensburg als Zeugenvernehmung gedacht war, war zugleich eine öffentliche Distanzierung der Pius-Bruderschaft von ihrem Mitbruder Richard Williamson. Der h0Ɩ0cαųstleugner und Traditionalisten-Bischof habe ein „nachhaltiges Problem mit der Realitätserkennung“.
Viel weiter kann sich eine katholische Priestergemeinschaft wohl nicht von einem ihrer Mitglieder distanzieren. Ein Exzentriker sei Bischof Richard Williamson; einer, der ein "nachhaltiges Problem mit der Realitätserkennung" habe und in "schöner Regelmäßigkeit alle zwei Jahre an den Weltuntergang glaubt". So sprach am Montag in Regensburg Maximilian Krah, der Rechtsvertreter der deutschen Pius-Sektion, über Williamson, einen der eigenen Gemeinschaft. Und fasste schließlich zusammen: "Bunter Vogel, das trifft's, glaub ich." Was vom Landgericht Regensburg als Zeugenvernehmung gedacht war, war zugleich eine öffentliche Distanzierung des Ordens von ihrem gefallenen Mitbruder, über dessen Treiben wieder einmal ein Gericht zu befinden hatte. Wieder ging es um die Frage: Ist es für einen britischen Staatsbürger strafbar, wenn er in einem Interview mit einem schwedischen Fernsehsender auf deutschem Boden den h0Ɩ0cαųst leugnet?

Ethelred · « **Reply #159 on:** August 02, 2011, 01:07:37 PM »

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7661

Quote from: Clare

Ok, I hereby resign as Admin.

Why? Well, I got a PM this morning from Dr Maximilian Krah.

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It is absolutely fine when there are discussions about the Williamson trial on Ignis Ardens, including my witness, which I gave on request of the defence and to their full satisfaction. Anyway, I kindly ask you for deleting such comments which once again refer to so-called 'krahgate' or are simply aggressive against me. A serious part of statements in the discussion on the 'Bishop Williamson Appeal' is a 'krahgate' revival. There was a clear statement by Fr Morgan about it, and I hope you will accept and enforce it. As shown with the sedisvacantist virgo-maria.org page, the SSPX is not accepting such slanderous campagns in the web any longer. A page like IA which states its SSPX-friendship must not take part in such campagns. It is, for example, hard to understand when a declared atheist like Lady Renouf is alowed to blame the chosen authority of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay. All this happens under your responsibility.

So please delete all 'Krahgate'-related comments in the 'BW appeal' thread.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesistiate to email me: [edit] - it is definitly better to speak with somebody instead speaking about him, isn't it? We are both Catholics and SSPX-faithful und should be able to handle this issue without the hepl of a secular judge.

Sincerely yours,

MK

PS: When reading the hate-inspired comments of persons like 'Ethelred' (whose German comments were published under names like 'Leon' and 'Carl') you should see that those who blame me not honourable men, to say the least.

I have enough stress as it is, with trying to raise the kids and coping with an illness, so I don't appreciate the extra (probably baseless) worry about "secular judge(s)".

So, I resign.

But I'm still a member.

P.S. Lügner Krah, Sie und Ihre "sauberen" Freunde sind ab Herbst dran.

P.P.S. I'm offering Clare my rosary for her being persecuted by the Jew's agent Krah.

Ethelred · « **Reply #160 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:18:50 PM »

To the friendly person who sent a Private Message (PM) to me: Please enable PMs in your Control Panel to be sent to you. This way I could answer you.

The option is here:
"Control Panel" -> "Changing Preferences"
Section "Privacy Options", enable "Allow others to contact you via the messenger?"

Thanks.

God bless Bishop Williamson!

John Grace · « **Reply #161 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:35:21 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7661

Quote from: Clare
Ok, I hereby resign as Admin.

Why? Well, I got a PM this morning from Dr Maximilian Krah.

Quote
It is absolutely fine when there are discussions about the Williamson trial on Ignis Ardens, including my witness, which I gave on request of the defence and to their full satisfaction. Anyway, I kindly ask you for deleting such comments which once again refer to so-called 'krahgate' or are simply aggressive against me. A serious part of statements in the discussion on the 'Bishop Williamson Appeal' is a 'krahgate' revival. There was a clear statement by Fr Morgan about it, and I hope you will accept and enforce it. As shown with the sedisvacantist virgo-maria.org page, the SSPX is not accepting such slanderous campagns in the web any longer. A page like IA which states its SSPX-friendship must not take part in such campagns. It is, for example, hard to understand when a declared atheist like Lady Renouf is alowed to blame the chosen authority of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay. All this happens under your responsibility.

So please delete all 'Krahgate'-related comments in the 'BW appeal' thread.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesistiate to email me: [edit] - it is definitly better to speak with somebody instead speaking about him, isn't it? We are both Catholics and SSPX-faithful und should be able to handle this issue without the hepl of a secular judge.

Sincerely yours,

MK

PS: When reading the hate-inspired comments of persons like 'Ethelred' (whose German comments were published under names like 'Leon' and 'Carl') you should see that those who blame me not honourable men, to say the least.

I have enough stress as it is, with trying to raise the kids and coping with an illness, so I don't appreciate the extra (probably baseless) worry about "secular judge(s)".

So, I resign.

But I'm still a member.

P.S. Lügner Krah, Sie und Ihre "sauberen" Freunde sind ab Herbst dran.

P.P.S. I'm offering Clare my rosary for her being persecuted by the Jew's agent Krah.

He certainly is a bully. I will pray for Clare.

wallflower · « **Reply #162 on:** August 02, 2011, 06:14:42 PM »

What?? People are being threatened for talking about this??

Seriously, I have not read this whole thread, I have very little knowledge of what's going on, but that is worrisome.

JPaul · « **Reply #163 on:** August 02, 2011, 09:06:02 PM »

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P.P.S. I'm offering Clare my rosary for her being persecuted by the Jew's agent Krah

So should we all! It is truly a disgrace. Clare is an easy going and kind lady who has been ground to dust between a vindictive hierarchy and a mob of angry laymen. ( who are angry, frustrated, and confused by the same arrogant hierarchy and its hired agents)
I surmise that she has been under both subtle and not so subtle pressures from these sources. Does anyone else observe that these are not Christian methods being employed here but, тαℓмυdic Zionist tactics?

She is now in good company with the good Bishop Williamson who still keeps alive the spirit of the Society's founder, while suffering the wrath of Jєωιѕн power.

JMJ

Nemmersdorf · « **Reply #164 on:** August 05, 2011, 02:40:58 AM »

To clear the confusion created by Henry V on Ignis Ardens:

1) Lady Renouf had confirmed on the 2 August 2011 that Maximilian Krah was present at the appeal 4 July 2011 :

“I can confirm as an eyewitness at both court hearings in Regensburg that Max Krah attended and gave his testimony verbally to the judge in Regensburg Courtroom on both occasions (16 April 2010 and 4 July 2011).”

2) Dr. Krah stated wrongly that he was called by the Defence as a witness in his letter to Clare.

There is now a correction to be made to the above point 2). The following correction is not according to Dr. Krah, but rather according to Prof. Dr. Weiler:

Bishop Williamson’s lawyer, Prof. Dr. Weiler has been contacted and was asked whether the Defence had called Dr. Krah to give testimony.

Prof. Dr Weiler stated that he did not call Dr. Krah, as it was not necessary, but that it was the judge who had called Dr. Krah.

He also said that witnesses are always appointed as such by the court, the Defence cannot have their “own” witnesses, they can only ask for them. If such a witness appears, he/she is witness of the court.

This should settle the matter once and for all.