Author Topic: Bishop Williamsons Appeal (Read 54206 times)

hollingsworth · « **Reply #120 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:20:20 PM »

Newman:

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First, yes, I believe that +Williamson (holds) extremist positions. And as far as I have read what +Fellay or Fr Schmidberger wrote, they do agree with that. +Fellay compared him with "uranium" etc.

Well, he did answer my question directly. It's on the record with Newman, viz. that he and his cohorts believe +W, at one degree or another, to be an extremist. Now Newman needs to elaborate, e.g. What specific "extremist positions" does +W hold, in his opinion?

Newman

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It is interesting for me to see how different the experiences are. I am surrounded by people who are fully pro +Fellay and the SSPX-leadership and openly against +Williamson.

Well, I'm here at ICC in Post Falls, ID where probably the same could be said for a great many of the 1500 plus parishioners. But they are not so open about it. I am fully pro- +W and moving rapidly towards being fully anti-Fellay. I don't see what can come out of that except an open break at some point in time. It is very tragic, but that's the way it's going to be if this kind of stuff keeps up.

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So I do not agree in your bashing of today´s Germany. It´s a nice and friendly country. More, I see the positive results of the media camapgn by +Fellay and the SSPX. Things have changed and got better. There are good fruits. It´s not convincing to stay aside and be lucky about bad news, we all have to do what´s possible. We are not from the world, but we´re in it, so we have to communicate with those who aren´t with us yet.

So then, as I read Newman, to "communicate with those who aren't with us yet," i.e. to ingratiate ourselves with the politicians and press of our own country, we must seem to have changed for the better. We must repudiate +W's extremism (read 'h0Ɩ0cαųst denial). We must throw him under the bus, and to all but totally "distance" ourselves from him. That will produce "good fruits." That will put us on better terms with the FGR and insure the survival of SSPX here. It may come at the price of seeming to endorse a huge 60-year old lie, but that's what it takes presently in order to get along with the ruling powers in Germany and the rest of western Europe. And while we're at it, we might as well undercut any remaining theological credentials the bishop seems to possess. We'll inform the whole world he's not really the expert on Thomas Aquinas that he may think he is.
You know, Newman, if this really is the thinking of SSPX priests and laity alike in your neck of the woods, then I, for one, will not hesitate to bid SSPX adieu.

Newman:

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It´s never wrong to be nice and to care (about) the picture (i.e. image) we give (i.e. present) to others. Isn´t there a PR-consultant hired in Austria? What are the results? Anyway, I see the SSPX on a good way.

Yeah, Ethelred, that's the problem in Austria. The SSPX there needs a "PR-consultant," an ad man, as it were, someone who can sell a kinder and gentler SSPX, a less extreme and ultra-conservative SSPX, an SSPX that is not so h0Ɩ0cαųst-unfriendly, one that can convince the public at large that they really have distanced themselves from the extremist views of their senior bishop.

Newman:

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Maybe an agreement with the Pope is possible within the truth. We should all contribute in the rosarys +Fellay asks to pray. May God bless him!

+F may have to yank and twist the truth around, but he'll eventually do it, by golly!

JPaul · « **Reply #121 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:39:54 AM »

Newman: Quote:
First, yes, I believe that +Williamson (holds) extremist positions. And as far as I have read what +Fellay or Fr Schmidberger wrote, they do agree with that. +Fellay compared him with "uranium" etc.

Well, he did answer my question directly. It's on the record with Newman, viz. that he and his cohorts believe +W, at one degree or another, to be an extremist. Now Newman needs to elaborate, e.g. What specific "extremist positions" does +W hold, in his opinion?

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Oh, Hollingsworth, I think he does elaborate in the basic sense, Bishop Fellay and Father Schmidberger both subscribe to the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" falsehood and require those under them to do the same. Bishop Williamson does not believe it, therefore he holds a position which is extreme to theirs. Truth and falsehood are certainly primary extremes.

Germany is no longer Germany for the Germans, it has defacto become Germany for the Jews once again.

Ethelred · « **Reply #122 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:12:40 PM »

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I don´t know about the situation in Austria. But until now I thought it would be quite similar to Germany and Switzerland.

Many Austrian-Germans don't have a "h0Ɩ0cαųst" traumatisation and so are usually not hysterical about Bishop Williamson's true words in the Sweden TV interview. I'm talking about the people, not about the "published opinion".
So there are accordingly more SSPX priests in Austria liking the good Bishop. Furthermore many Austrian catholics are no fans of Fr Schmidberger because he appears as a Prussian "Piefke" to us. We also remember that he ruined the formerly well-resourced Austrian SSPX district.

You wrote that most FRG-German SSPX catholics you know are anti Bishop Williamson. This is my experience, too, and it's clearly one of the many bad fruits of over two years of systematic Bishop-Wiliamson-baiting (i.e. brainwashing) done by SSPX superiors like Bp Fellay, Fr Pfluger, Fr Schmidberger and of course by the Jew's agent Krah.

In catholic hierarchies usually the clerics influence the laity. This is especially true because the New-SSPX demands a non-catholic blind obedience in contrast to a catholic duly obedience. Archbishop Lefebvre explained the difference in many sermons, but the New-SSPX broke with the Archbishop in so many ways.

During the Krah connection the Austrian-German SSPX district superior Fr Michael Weigl has been transfered (i.e. kicked) for obscure reasons and replaced by another FRG-German Piefke named Fr Trutt. Then Krah took over the high-price Jaidhof Stiftung. This is an estate donated to the Austrian SSPX by a catholic woman whose husband was a Jew. Maybe a way to bind the SSPX to a gilded cage? The Krahgate files indicate so.

Ethelred · « **Reply #123 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:25:44 PM »

Meaningful is your, Newman's, downplaying of the most subtle enemy of the traditional Church :

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There is the German Pope who is doing quite well...

According to three of the four SSPX bishops the German Pope BXVI is doing terrible however. In contrast to this, you Krah guys stay totally loyal to the ѕуηαgσgυє's best helper, BXVI, whose press officer Lombardi officially raised the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" lie to a Newchurch "dogma".
In blindness the SSPX leadership has adopted this "dogma" and so raises an historical matter to a "dogma", too, whilst on the very same time they tell their clerics and in particular Bishop Williamson not to ever utter any historical or political statement. Well, that's perfect liberal double-thinking!

So it's not surprising that Fr Pfluger and Krah hold the extremist attitude to deny Bishop Williamson being a catholic at all.

For a profound unmasking of BXVI's liberalism see Bishop Tissier's excellent Faith Imperiled by Reason: Benedict XVI’s Hermeneutics and Bishop Williamson's recent EC series about this. Both bishops prove that BXVI does not uphold the catholic Faith but destroys the Church. In his famous Stephen Heiner interview (around 2006) Bishop Tissier also said that BXVI is much worse than Luther. Yes, Luther the greatest heretic ever.

And there's the third bishop to take the same line, see Bishop Galarreta's recent sermon in Econe where he unmasks BXVI as still being the liberal catholic who's met and combated Archbishop Lefebvre.

Bishop Galarreta says e.g. : Liberalism tries to reconcile Catholicism with the thought that sprang from 1789
And: Archbishop Lefebvre had correctly seen and described the evil of our time, of society, and above all the evil in the Church. This evil is called quite simply liberalism.

You, Newman, try to reconcile Catholicism with 1789, too. (By the way, 1789 was financed by Jews. Naturally. They're involved in any war against God since their deicide. The catholics until and including St. Pius X knew this well.)

That's why you appreciate the Jew's agent Krah and support the FRG Zionist party CDU which actively implements mass abortions, eugenics, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, gender-mainstreaming, etc.
In short today's governing FRG-party CDU is an exact product of 1789. And you propagate it. At the same time you call Bishop Williamson an extremist. It's vice versa and you're double-thinking all the time.

Catholic liberalism means to live in a dreamland which is about to hit reality very hard now. It has infected most parts of the German-speaking SSPX and other parts of Europe, too. By now I'm afraid that a big part of central European's SSPX catholics mainly follow what once was the SSPX of the Archbishop, only because it's the sweetest continuation of the bad 1950's.

The New-SSPX which itself bound to BXVI's reconciliation of Catholicism and 1789, is doomed like the Newchurch and the 1789 societies are. Dear Hollingsworth, I don't think there will be a split anymore. It's too late! Europe and America as we know them will cease to exist soon, and it will happen with the New-SSPX, too.

So I really hope the next Bishop Williamson appeal will be not before summer 2012, because then there won't exist a FRG anymore, let alone an EU. God bless Bishop Williamson!

Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat.

roscoe · « **Reply #124 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:33:32 PM »

Benedict XVI(16): anti-pope.

roscoe · « **Reply #125 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:37:40 PM »

Statement of Pope Pius XII(XIII) re: nαzι war crimes, Dec 24, 1942

" humanity owes this vow to those hundreds of thousands, who w/o any fault of their own, sometimes only by reason of their nationality or race, are marked down for death or gradual extinction".

Wessex · « **Reply #126 on:** July 22, 2011, 08:23:05 PM »

I would say having a German in Rome making a few superficial conservative gestures was enough to attract the German zone, having no interest in ABL's political platform and eager to jetison the rebellious image. One would have to wonder what attracted the Germans to the Society in the first place unless the problem now is the liberal creep associated with a new generation. But from what I am hearing there also seems to be a new agenda at the centre with the introduction of modern corporate methods in areas of finance, public relations, litigation and control of personnel, all intended to ape the world and blend in with the religious and political status quo. I had no hopes in the outcome of the 'doctrinal talks' nor were the leadership expecting any, the whole exercise being part of this new image of co-operation for its own sake. I guess most people will not notice this volte face if carefully managed at local level. A new phase in the Society could be underway with the current regime desperate to seek some recognition inside the mainstream. But without doubt the era of militant Lefebvrism is over and this cause is now reduced to being another liturgical watering hole. Am not quite sure though where the French Revolution fits in with all this; maybe a needle has got stuck in a groove.

JPaul · « **Reply #127 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:38:54 PM »

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sometimes only by reason of their nationality or race, are marked down for death or gradual extinction".

Oh yes! White European Christians......

JPaul · « **Reply #128 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:54:15 PM »

Wessex,

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But from what I am hearing there also seems to be a new agenda at the centre with the introduction of modern corporate methods in areas of finance, public relations, litigation and control of personnel,

Wes, I believe this to be true. From a pious brotherhood to a modern business model. One can see the slickness creeping in and the rapid tightening of information and control. And as we have sadly seen, it is working.

JMJ

Matthew · « **Reply #129 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:41:11 AM »

Newman was banned for believing in the so-called "h0Ɩ0cαųst" LIE that 6 million Jews were killed by the nαzιs during WW2.

He called Bishop Williamson an extremist.

Anyone who calls Bishop Williamson an extremist calls ME (and a bunch of the frequent posters here) the same epithet.

Anyone who swallows the BS that the h0Ɩ0cαųst happened as the Jews claim it did is too brainwashed to be welcome here on CathInfo. They simply won't fit in.

Matthew

the smart sheep · « **Reply #130 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:50:11 PM »

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Newman was banned for believing in the so-called "h0Ɩ0cαųst" LIE that 6 million Jews were killed by the nαzιs during WW2.

He called Bishop Williamson an extremist.

Anyone who calls Bishop Williamson an extremist calls ME (and a bunch of the frequent posters here) the same epithet.

Anyone who swallows the BS that the h0Ɩ0cαųst happened as the Jews claim it did is too brainwashed to be welcome here on CathInfo. They simply won't fit in.

Matthew

I had mistaken Newman to be an enabler. But in his last post he had tell tale signs of being an Narc. Sociopath like calling other" irrational" right after writing blatant half truths (being irrational himself).

I was going to shed light on this. No need, you did the right thing.

I will, however, give some consolation that when a Narc Sociopath does this and gets a fix it often backfires. In this case it did because this thread enlightened me and others about the truth of the + Williamson case due to the hard work and well written responses of Eldred, JP, Wessex and others.

Thanks all,

sheep

roscoe · « **Reply #131 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:07:23 PM »

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sometimes only by reason of their nationality or race, are marked down for death or gradual extinction".

Oh yes! White European Christians......

This does seem to be the case.

Ethelred · « **Reply #132 on:** July 26, 2011, 07:47:32 AM »

Thank you very much Matthew, plus all the others who defended our good Bishop Williamson. Blessings from God! I've never seen so many catholics defending Bishop Williamson in one place. It's an amazing experience and I am very thankful for it.

So, let's get back to the topic.

Is there a website or paper magazine which quotes Krah's interview during the trial in a verbatim way? Or a German-speaking witness who does so?

Because so far I've only seen summaries done by newspapers, i.e. indirect quotes. They're already vicious enough, e.g. see the bottom of the following article in the leftist Regensburg-digital:
http://www.regensburg-digital.de/williamson-prozess-bunter-vogel-brauner-schwarm/04072011/

You can feed this to Google Translator or similar:
http://translate.google.com

But the verbatim quotation of Krah's words would be very interesting.
Thanks.

Wessex · « **Reply #133 on:** July 26, 2011, 08:31:44 AM »

Partly because of the ban or partial ban on Krahgate reporting on other sites such as Angelqueen and Ignis Ardens. The latter suffering from official threats and the tactics of agent provocateurs destabling threads, including memorials to General Franco and Marshal Petain .... with the moderator's blessing.

Without doing any research, I have not seen any detail accounts of Bp. W's appeal to complement Lady Renouf's report. We have to establish whether Krah was in court and/or there was any further spoken or written intervention on his part. It is hard to imagine the hand of Menzingen not being there in some way to influence events and to add to the nobbled defence.

Ethelred · « **Reply #134 on:** July 26, 2011, 09:39:30 AM »

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Partly because of the ban or partial ban on Krahgate reporting on other sites such as Angelqueen and Ignis Ardens.

Yes, that's very unfortunate.
All the better that Cathinfo is a refuge for people defending Bishop Williamson and/or quoting the Krahgate file.

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The latter suffering from official threats and the tactics of agent provocateurs destabling threads, including memorials to General Franco and Marshal Petain .... with the moderator's blessing.

That's the way of the "liberal traditionalists" as Bishop Williamson described them in his EC 185 and EC 186.

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Without doing any research, I have not seen any detail accounts of Bp. W's appeal to complement Lady Renouf's report. We have to establish whether Krah was in court and/or there was any further spoken or written intervention on his part.

Well, we know for sure that Krah was in the court because he was called as witness and as such he did an oral interview. During his oral interview Krah defamed Bishop Williamson again. The leftist Regensburg-Digital magazine and several others report this correctly.

Just a word for word transcript of Krah's oral interview is still missing.