Author Topic: Bishop Williamson to consecrate a bishop? (Read 11097 times)

Centroamerica · « **on:** January 16, 2014, 03:05:37 PM »

Bishop Williamson to consecrate Fr. Faure bishop? Fr. Faure was Archbishop Lefebvre's choice so it is believable, but for me it just wasn't expected.

http://www.catholique-sedevacantiste.com/m/article-122047154.html

Let's see if it's true.

cathman7 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2014, 03:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

Bishop Williamson to consecrate Fr. Faure bishop? Fr. Faure was Archbishop Lefebvre's choice so it is believable, but for me it just wasn't expected.

http://www.catholique-sedevacantiste.com/m/article-122047154.html

Let's see if it's true.

How old is Fr. Faure? If he is roughly the same age as Bishop Williamson wouldn't it make more sense to consecrate a priest who is much younger?

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2014, 03:11:15 PM »

I can't wait to see the headlines:"Schismatic h0Ɩ0cαųst denier consecrates a bishop against the wishes of the Holy See."

I also think it would be more wise to consecrate a younger man to be Bishop.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2014, 03:53:27 PM »

That was kind of why I had previously thought this was unlikely, as you all say Fr. Faure is about the same age as Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has expressed that he is very negative of the younger generations even producing good priests see I can see a few reasons why this candidate would be likely. Still, in my personal opinion one more bishop isn't enough considering how the traditionalist movement has grown, but it would be easier for him to justify based on a law of necessity.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2014, 04:55:31 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

That was kind of why I had previously thought this was unlikely, as you all say Fr. Faure is about the same age as Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has expressed that he is very negative of the younger generations even producing good priests see I can see a few reasons why this candidate would be likely. Still, in my personal opinion one more bishop isn't enough considering how the traditionalist movement has grown, but it would be easier for him to justify based on a law of necessity.

Maybe you could be so kind as to post any explanation any bishop has ever given in the history of the Church that describes WHY he chose a particular man to be consecrated bishop.

I have heard it said that bishops don't explain why they chose one man instead of another, but of all the things a bishop can do in his episcopal office, deciding whom to consecrate as his successor(s) is his own prerogative.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:04:19 PM »

Quote from: Matto

I can't wait to see the headlines:"Schismatic h0Ɩ0cαųst denier consecrates a bishop against the wishes of the Holy See."

I also think it would be more wise to consecrate a younger man to be Bishop.

How about:

Exiled Renegade h0Ɩ0cαųst Denier Redoubles His Schism With Unapproved Consecration.

or,

Rebel Makes Another Rebel, and More Schismatic Problems for Beleaguered Church

or,

Truth Denier Complicates Matters by Consecrating Another Renegade

or,

Runaway Bizarre Trend in h0Ɩ0cαųst Denial Gone Wild

or,

First Forgiven, Then Expelled, Shoah Detractor Vies for New Excommunication

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Frances · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:06:59 PM »

:dancing-banana: :confused1:

Centroamerica · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:43:26 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Centroamerica
That was kind of why I had previously thought this was unlikely, as you all say Fr. Faure is about the same age as Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has expressed that he is very negative of the younger generations even producing good priests see I can see a few reasons why this candidate would be likely. Still, in my personal opinion one more bishop isn't enough considering how the traditionalist movement has grown, but it would be easier for him to justify based on a law of necessity.

Maybe you could be so kind as to post any explanation any bishop has ever given in the history of the Church that describes WHY he chose a particular man to be consecrated bishop.

I have heard it said that bishops don't explain why they chose one man instead of another, but of all the things a bishop can do in his episcopal office, deciding whom to consecrate as his successor(s) is his own prerogative.

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I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Fr. Faure is a good candidate, a great candidate. Maybe you were hoping for Fr. Chazal. Isn't there enough other things you could nitpick on this forum?

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:43:29 PM »

Yeah but...

Just do it !

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:47:46 PM »

Even though he's older, that would be fine.

Remember, they're both in good health. It would certainly make Tradition that much more secure.

BOTH of them aren't going to get hit by a car, or suddenly fall gravely ill, at once. If one of them does, the other can consecrate a successor.

It's being conservative, and leaving a lot to God's providence. A good bishop should be holy enough to remember that God is always in control. From what I've heard from his own mouth, Bishop Williamson fits this description. He often reminds us that God is in control. There's nothing wrong with that.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2014, 06:04:51 PM »

I think he should consecrate 2- the repercussions will be the same, anyway. In for a penny in for a pound, as they say. Fr Faure because he was actually chosen by ABL before, and a younger man as well. But then, who said any of us get a vote?

Wessex · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2014, 06:23:13 PM »

The fact that Bp. W is now (hopefully) detached from the Society, consecrating someone of like mind on the 'margins of religion' may not be that newsworthy. Previous events had the media pit Lefebvre's institution against the Vatican in order to create maximum embarrassment for a church dragging its feet in being 'relevant'. But if the media makes great capital out of it, you can bet your bottom dollar that:

1) Bergoglio more than anyone else will be inclined to consider making the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' a doctrinal feature of the conciliar church, and

2) Menzingen will likewise distance itself further from the past by condemning 'anti-semitism' in more cringeful ways.

With regard to likely candidates, I have a feeling that the bishop will be careful in choosing someone who has a similar view of the world as his.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2014, 06:37:48 PM »

I doubt the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" will become any more doctrinal than it already is in the pseudo-church.

Incredulous · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:25:03 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

The fact that Bp. W is now (hopefully) detached from the Society, consecrating someone of like mind on the 'margins of religion' may not be that newsworthy. Previous events had the media pit Lefebvre's institution against the Vatican in order to create maximum embarrassment for a church dragging its feet in being 'relevant'. But if the media makes great capital out of it, you can bet your bottom dollar that:

1) Bergoglio more than anyone else will be inclined to consider making the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' a doctrinal feature of the conciliar church, and

2) Menzingen will likewise distance itself further from the past by condemning 'anti-semitism' in more cringeful ways.

With regard to likely candidates, I have a feeling that the bishop will be careful in choosing someone who has a similar view of the world as his.

We're in the modern-day catacombs, but we have trouble admitting it.

As religion, society and the economy collapse around us, the argument could be made that His Excellency should be secretly ordaining Priests and Bishops to covertly go out and minister to the faithful.

What's the saying... "Pray for the best, but plan for the worst" ?

JPaul · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:52:11 PM »

A primary consideration is whether the episcopal candidate is of the proper temperament to be elevated to the office of bishop. He should be a man of measured and sound thinking, and this generally comes with experience and age. Father Faure from the little which I know of him seems to be qualified in this way and is more likely to see the larger issues regarding the Church and beyond trap of Fellay fascination which has captured the younger priests.