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« on: December 11, 2013, 11:20:16 PM »
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  • Benedict subsequently suspended Bishop Williamson from the exercise of the episcopal order, after his anti-Semitic views came to light.

    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/sspx-and-the-church-dialogue-in-limbo/

    National Catholic Register    A Service of EWTN  Daily News

    SSPX and the Church Dialogue in Limbo (2554)

    Relations with the traditionalist society, which is outside full communion with the Church, have deteriorated since mid-2012, but hope remains for full reconciliation.

    by PETER JESSERER SMITH 12/11/2013

    ST. LOUIS — Dialogue between the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X and the rest of the Catholic Church appears to have come to a complete stop. However, hope remains that a full reconciliation is possible in the pontificate of Francis, even as the SSPX faces a rebellion within its own ranks that opposes any full unity with the bishop of Rome.

    “I think it is safe to say that the discussions are presently in a state of limbo,” Louis Tofari, spokesman for the U.S. district of the SSPX, told the Register.

    The SSPX, a priestly fraternity of more than 560 priests, operates without any recognized status in the Church, since losing its canonical status in 1975. Pope Benedict XVI jump-started a new chapter in trying to bring the society into a regular state in January 2009, by lifting the excommunications imposed on the SSPX’s four bishops, who were illicitly consecrated by its late founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, in 1988 without papal permission.

    However, negotiations between SSPX leader Bishop Bernard Fellay and the Vatican broke down in June 2012.

    In April 2012, Tofari said, “Bishop Fellay submitted a doctrinal declaration, going as far as possible in the expression of the faith to reach an agreement. He warned them, ‘If you change one word in this doctrinal declaration, we can’t sign. Not one word.’”

    However, Pope Benedict intervened and ordered a revision to the text, making clear that the SSPX had to accept the full validity of all of the Second Vatican Council’s docuмents, including the texts on religious freedom and human rights that the SSPX rejects as theological “errors,” and the legitimacy and validity of the ordinary form of the Mass.

    No one outside of the negotiating parties has seen Pope Benedict’s counter-proposal to the April 2012 doctrinal preamble Bishop Fellay submitted to Rome or what words were changed, Tofari told the Register.

    Tofari explained the SSPX is still open to discussions and wants “full recognition” of its canonical status in the Church. However, they have not yet made any formal overtures to restarting that dialogue or accepting the doctrinal preamble as defined by Pope Benedict.

    “At the present time, we have not heard anything from the Holy See or Pope Francis on continuing the discussions that were begun under Pope Benedict,” he said.

    Internal Challenge

    Bishop Fellay now appears to have abandoned the doctrinal preamble as a basis for future negotiations, according to a report from an SSPX British district newsletter, and he has stated that relations between the SSPX and the whole Church are back to where they began in the 1970s.

    But the superior general now faces a challenge from an internal source called “The Resistance,” which opposes any reconciliation with the Pope or what the “The Resistance” derides as “apostate Rome.” The challenge is not insignificant: This movement appears responsible for disseminating on the Internet internal SSPX docuмents related to the negotiations, including Bishop Fellay’s doctrinal preamble, in an effort to derail those efforts.

    “The SSPX is going through its own schism right now,” said Peter Vere, a canon lawyer and former SSPX follower.

    Vere explained that the expelled Bishop Richard Williamson is “The Resistance”’s spiritual leader and has ordered Resistance priests “to remain in the SSPX until they get booted out.”

    Bishop Williamson has denied the nαzιs used gas chambers or killed 6 million Jєωs. He has pushed conspiracy theories of Jєωιѕн world domination, as well as adopted the anti-Semitic blood libel of the Protocols of the Elders of Sion. A letter attributed to Bishop Fellay’s “first assistant” Father Niklaus Pfluger (and leaked to the Internet on Resistance websites) rebuked Bishop Williamson for his “hatred of Jєωs” and scapegoating them for the world’s problems.

    The SSPX publicly apologized for Bishop Williamson’s views in January 2009, shortly after Benedict lifted the excommunications against Bishop Fellay, Bishop Williamson and the other two SSPX bishops illicitly ordained in 1998.

    Benedict subsequently suspended Bishop Williamson from the exercise of the episcopal order, after his anti-Semitic views came to light.

    The SSPX expelled Bishop Williamson from the society in October 2012, reportedly in part because of his efforts to undermine the reconciliation discussions with the Vatican.

    Controversial Actions

    “The Resistance,” which appears heavily influenced by Bishop Williamson’s views about Jєωs, may have had some impact on two recent controversial  SSPX actions related to the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    In October, the Italian chapter of the SSPX offered its chapel for a funeral Mass for nαzι war criminal Erich Priebke, after the Diocese of Rome denied him a public funeral Mass. However, in the face of angry demonstrations, Italian authorities canceled the SSPX’s planned funeral.

    A month later, SSPX followers disrupted the beginning of a 75th anniversary commemoration of Kristallnacht — the 1938 attacks against Jєωιѕн people and their property across nαzι Germany that marked the beginning of the h0Ɩ0cαųst — in the Buenos Aires cathedral. While serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires prior to being elected pope this year, Pope Francis personally led the yearly commemoration ceremony along with his personal friend, Rabbi Abraham Skorka.

    Approximately 30-40 SSPX followers, some wearing red berets, shouted the Rosary and distributed leaflets that said that “followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple,” The Associated Press reported.

    Tofari said the SSPX protest in Buenos Aires was not aimed at Jєωs, but was protesting interfaith prayer in the cathedral.

    Claudio Epelman, executive director of the Latin American Jєωιѕн Congress, said he believed the protesters in the cathedral were closely aligned with the spiritual vision of Bishop Williamson, who had been rector of the SSPX Argentine seminary.

    “He preached against the Jєωs, and he denied the h0Ɩ0cαųst,” Epelman said. “And those people, those disciples, who were at the cathedral, they went against the ceremony remembering the h0Ɩ0cαųst and [were] attacking Jєωs.”

    Epelman said the SSPX demonstration was traumatic “shock,” especially for Jєωιѕн survivors present who had lived through the nαzι pogrom.

    “They were going to light candles to remember their families that they lost during the war,” he said. “And then they have to suffer again the same thing that they were enduring before the war and during the war.”

    The Church’s theological relationship with the Jєωιѕн people, as defined by Vatican II in Nostra Aetate, is a sticking point in the SSPX’s dialogue with the Vatican. However, the SSPX quietly purged its websites of a number of articles offensive to Jєωs in 2009, after Bishop Williamson’s h0Ɩ0cαųst denial became public, and it also expelled Father Florian Abrahamowicz, a former superior of its Italian chapter and another public h0Ɩ0cαųst denier.

     Reconciliation Remains Possible

    Although Benedict is no longer pope, the door for full reconciliation is not closed with Pope Francis, Tofari said. Bishop Fellay, who had been critical of Pope Francis, calling him a “genuine modernist,” later clarified that he regretted his choice of words, because it gave the mistaken impression he viewed Pope Francis as a heretic.

    Pope Francis himself, in his apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel), has signaled that he wants reconciliation within the Church “wounded by historical divisions.” He condemned ideologies within the Church and urged all to "offer a radiant and attractive witness of fraternal communion."

    Vere said that theological work to show the SSPX the continuity of the Second Vatican Council with prior Church teachings continues to advance, especially with a “benchmark work” on religious freedom by Dom Basile Valuet, a Benedictine theologian of the abbey of Le Barroux in France.

    He added that Summorum Pontificuм, Benedict’s 2007 motu proprio that confirmed the validity of the extraordinary form of the Mass celebrated in Latin, according to the 1962 Roman Missal, and the reconciliation of the traditionalist Diocese of Campos, Brazil, and of traditionalist orders like the Society of St. Vincent Ferrer, also have showed that Catholics should not give up on the hope of reconciliation between the SSPX and the pope.

    “There have been real marks of progress,” Vere said. “It is just a matter of time and prayer and allowing both sides to negotiate outside of the demands of the instant media.”

    Peter Jesserer Smith is a Register staff writer.    .......................  


    Offline StCeciliasGirl

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    Bishop Williamson SUSPENDED !!! ???
    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 12:05:30 AM »
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  • That's from today?! The day Frank was named girlfriend of the year?! (Homeboy of the year? —no wait, PERSON of the year. I understand the contest between Frank and Miley Cyrus was pretty tight).

    Well wait what? Since when does Rome have anything to do with the SSPX-anything? I know BXVI lifted the excommunications, but are you saying that BXVI might have possibly been running the SPPX, and maybe the "suspension" is what prompted Fellay to oust Bp. Williamson from the order?

    Wait, and is it possible that FRANK, of all persons of the world ("person of the year", lord of this world, whatever) might have some kind of ad hoc power over Fellay?

    Do they TELL PEOPLE these things? Because I think, "in the spirit of V2", the SSPX ought to be able to poll people, and I'd like to go on record as supporting Miley Cyrus being the SSPX leader over Frank.

    No really: WHAT?! So without this BXVI "suspension", would Fellay have expelled Bp. Williamson? I didn't know Rome had its hooks in quite THAT deep. (Of course, the wording makes it sound like Frank is pursuing Fellay still. I just can't imagine that's the case, unless Frank's pursuit is with a noose.)
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 12:06:11 AM »
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  • When did a layman, Louis Tofari, become a spokesman for the U.S. district of the SSPX?

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    « Reply #3 on: December 12, 2013, 12:34:48 AM »
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  •   "What goes around, comes around".
        Poh old Cardinal Ratzinger...
        He done got side-lined too.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2013, 12:56:31 AM »
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  • After that demonstration in the buenos aires cathedral I don't see any way that pope Francis is going to want anything to do with the SSPX.

    It would be a media disaster and he is all about image.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 01:23:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    After that demonstration in the buenos aires cathedral I don't see any way that pope Francis is going to want anything to do with the SSPX.

    It would be a media disaster and he is all about image.



    And after their District Superior, Father Bouchart betrayed them, the three exSPX priests and their students should join the Resistance.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 01:24:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Steven
    When did a layman, Louis Tofari, become a spokesman for the U.S. district of the SSPX?


    Why should we anticipate that anything Peter J. Smith says has any real value?  

    Quote from: Peter J. Smith

    The SSPX publicly apologized for Bishop Williamson’s views in January 2009, shortly after Benedict lifted the excommunications against Bishop Fellay, Bishop Williamson and the other two SSPX bishops illicitly ordained in 1998.



    The four SSPX bishops were consecrated, not "ordained," and it wasn't in 1998 but rather in 1988, and it wasn't illicit because it was under the pressure of emergency, which makes it licit.  So Peter J. Smith gets three errors in one sentence.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 01:33:53 AM »
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    After that demonstration in the buenos aires cathedral I don't see any way that pope Francis is going to want anything to do with the SSPX.

    It would be a media disaster and he is all about image.



    And after their District Superior, Father Bouchart betrayed them, the three exSPX priests and their students should join the Resistance.


    It's appropriate for you to say this, Incred., and say it often.  It would be the reasonable thing for those manly priests with a hint of backbone to stand up to the Menzingen-denizens who would persist in persecuting them for their resolve, and the best way to do that would be to join the Resistance.

    Fr. B. exposed HIS Spinelessnes by betraying them -- probably in his quest to garner Brownie Points with the Menz-denzs in hopes of clawing his way up the corporate ladder.

    If only Catholics the world over would have the gumption of these select pockets of faithful, there would be more rapid movement.   But as it is, the tendency of trads is to keep the status quo at any cost, and that is what XSPXHEBF relies upon more than anything, while he is TERRIFIED of any widespread Resistance to his unfaithfulness.

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    « Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 03:42:03 AM »
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  • In October, the Italian chapter of the SSPX offered its chapel for a funeral Mass for nαzι war criminal Erich Priebke, after the Diocese of Rome denied him a public funeral Mass. However, in the face of angry demonstrations, Italian authorities canceled the SSPX’s planned funeral.


    They government "cancelled" the funeral? How do they cancel it other than jailing the SSPX priest?  This is flagrant persecution.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 05:01:58 AM »
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  • If Bp. W is telling priests to stay inside the Society as an 'internal resistance', it is going to deprive the 'external resistance' of much-needed priests. I do not think much of this strategy because it is a form of 'clerical chess' and treats the laity as mere pawns in their games. My simple mind prefers a clean separation of the participants if only to minimise the confusion and clarify the issues.

    I can see that instances where the SSPX is identified with 'politically incorrect' initiatives in the world can help neutralise Menzingen's 'politically correct' ones and make its 'rehabilitation' a lost cause for the conciliarists. But I am sure the leadership will still persist with its plans to 'liberalise' the Society and reduce these emarrassing occasions.  

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    « Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 05:11:38 AM »
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  • I would join the "Resistance" if they let me.

    The winds of change often blow in favour of those who refuse to compromise.
    They are as a house built on rock. No storm will destroy their house.
    +Williamson should consecrate another Bishop or two to ensure the society survives.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 05:20:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    If Bp. W is telling priests to stay inside the Society as an 'internal resistance', it is going to deprive the 'external resistance' of much-needed priests. I do not think much of this strategy because it is a form of 'clerical chess' and treats the laity as mere pawns in their games. My simple mind prefers a clean separation of the participants if only to minimise the confusion and clarify the issues.
     


    I hardly see how the resistance can claim him as their leader then.

    Nor indeed that he could view himself as "leader of the resistance". What leader would conduct such a strategy, to tell people to prudently stay inside the very organisation he wants resisted?  It would be highly irrational. Unless they were serving as agent provocateurs, perhaps.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 05:38:15 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Benedict(!) suspended Bp. W. and we're just now hearing about it?  This article is an interesting piece of fiction.
     :dancing-banana:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Benedict subsequently suspended Bishop Williamson from the exercise of the episcopal order, after his anti-Semitic views came to light.  


    This is inaccurate.  Ratzinger did not issue any new docuмent suspending Bishop Williamson.  

    All of the bishops of the SSPX were suspended at the time of the episcopal consecrations by the Conciliar church (which I consider illegitimate anyway because those who did so were not Catholic) and those suspensions have never been formally lifted by the Conciliar church.

    For Ratzinger to "subsequently" suspend Bishop Williamson would not make any sense because he was already suspended.

    I note that the Conciliar church has not even re-excommunicated Bishop Williamson.  It appears that the enemies of Bishop Williamson are just making things up.

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    I hardly see how the resistance can claim him as their leader then.

    Nor indeed that he could view himself as "leader of the resistance". What leader would conduct such a strategy, to tell people to prudently stay inside the very organisation he wants resisted?  It would be highly irrational. Unless they were serving as agent provocateurs, perhaps.


    They are sowing the seeds of dissent, and slowing the decline of the SSPX by their presence. They are also getting first hand information on the goings on inside the society.

    It is part of the resistance ideology that they believe that they are the rightful heirs to the SSPX name, so to serve the strategic big picture +Williamson wants his supporters to join him in the same manner as he was expelled.

    This is only temporary. Once the SSPX becomes undeniably one way or the other regarding modernism, then there will be no more agent provocateurs within the society, they will leave of their own accord and make some statement out of it, and if they stay they will not be tolerated.

    Similar to this forum, for the beginnings of the resistance, those not part of the resistance are only tolerated really because the resistance has just been founded and they want to grow their numbers. If it ever gets as big as the SSPX, there will be no more entertaining of the Sedevacantists, unfortunately.