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Offline SeanJohnson

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Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
« on: April 08, 2013, 11:38:22 PM »
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    Here is the link to Bishop Williamson's St. Paul, MN Conference (Part 2 of 3):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W43qm_g-jvk&feature=youtu.be

    Sorry it took so long.

    Feel free to upload/link/distribute far and wide.

    PS: Part 3 to follow soon.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 06:17:30 AM »
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  • No complaints appropriate - just Thank you.


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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 07:41:45 AM »
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  • 52 Minutes

    Conclusion of the 7 Ages presentation.

    Beginning of Q&A

    Q&A subjects include: Internet anonymity; police state; GREC, 911, practical considerations; etc.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 10:12:48 AM »
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  • Now, in this video, +W has a white board that he has drawn a diagram on,
    and he spends 15 minutes talking about it, during which time your camera
    is trained on his face, and only shows portions of the white board for
    fleeting moments.  He steps to the left side of the board so that the
    audience can see what he's referring to, but then your camera does not
    stop moving, but follows the moving bishop.  

    What would really help is to set the white board as a full frame image and
    let it stay still there for 5 or 10 seconds so we can look at the various
    aspects of the diagram while he is talking about it.  As it is, the right side
    of the board has things written on it that I never got to read, because
    the only time the camera was pointing at it, the Bishop was standing in
    the way, writing there, and as soon as he backed away to let everyone
    see what he had written, the camera followed him and no longer was
    pointed at the right side of the white board.

    At minute 22:15 he says that all these people in red are liars and the
    ones in green have the truth.  But I can't see any red or green, and
    how can I think about what he's referring to?  He says it again at 24:50,
    and for two minutes goes on referring to it, but the camera remains on
    his face and we can't see the board.  

    The effect of this is we are only made to think of the person of the
    Bishop, and not on his message.  I don't expect that is the way H.E.
    would like us to be thinking.


    At 50:20 H.E. says, "Liberalism is war on God.  Every liberal is a
    crusader."  And he points at the white board, and I am only able to
    think of his words, because I do not remember what was written on
    the board.  The video image does not serve to show what was visible
    in the room, because it only shows the face of the Bishop.  What about
    what he wrote for all to see?


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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 03:15:00 PM »
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  • The good Bishop Williamson is saying everything the sedevacantist says; notice he says Vatican II is a false religion, notice he does not refer to Vatican II as being Catholic.  Calls it the religion of man, adapting to the world, etc. etc.   I felt I was listing to my CMRI good Bishop.  

    Interesting....
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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #5 on: April 09, 2013, 04:08:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    The good Bishop Williamson is saying everything the sedevacantist says; notice he says Vatican II is a false religion, notice he does not refer to Vatican II as being Catholic.  Calls it the religion of man, adapting to the world, etc. etc.   I felt I was listing to my CMRI good Bishop.  

    Interesting....



    There is a fine line between the two.  Most of what the CMRI priests and
    bishops say is the same thing that +W or Resistance priests say, and yet
    the Resistance priests hold the line - they do not cross over into the
    sede camp because they do not reject the validity of the Pope (or the
    new order bishops, for that matter).  

    It is one item only, or maybe two or three items, but they are all the same
    category or based on the same principle - the validity of holy orders.  

    The pope does not have any additional sacrament.  The Pope has the same
    Holy Orders that Fr. Chazal or Fr. Trincado or a CMRI priest has.  But the
    CMRI priests say that the current pope does not have valid ordination.

    So it's the same question of Holy Orders for priests, bishops and pope.

    The "fine line between the two" boils down to the question of ordination.


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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 04:17:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    The good Bishop Williamson is saying everything the sedevacantist says; notice he says Vatican II is a false religion, notice he does not refer to Vatican II as being Catholic.  Calls it the religion of man, adapting to the world, etc. etc.   I felt I was listing to my CMRI good Bishop.  

    Interesting....



    There is a fine line between the two.  Most of what the CMRI priests and
    bishops say is the same thing that +W or Resistance priests say, and yet
    the Resistance priests hold the line - they do not cross over into the
    sede camp because they do not reject the validity of the Pope (or the
    new order bishops, for that matter).  

    It is one item only, or maybe two or three items, but they are all the same
    category or based on the same principle - the validity of holy orders.  

    The pope does not have any additional sacrament.  The Pope has the same
    Holy Orders that Fr. Chazal or Fr. Trincado or a CMRI priest has.  But the
    CMRI priests say that the current pope does not have valid ordination.

    So it's the same question of Holy Orders for priests, bishops and pope.

    The "fine line between the two" boils down to the question of ordination.




    Though it puts the Resistance priests and bishops (and the SSPX for that matter) in a strange position, as the Society founded by ABL (which is continuing in the Resistance) conditionally ordained priests who were ordained in the NO.  FWIW, when asked after the conference if Bergoglio's new ordination at all changed or affected his sedeplenist stance, he answered in the negative.  Wouldn't it make more sense if not only His Excellency but also the Resistance priests considered him doubtful?  According to their own policies, nevermind anything else.  Unless those conditional ordinations are just for show.  If you have a man with doubtful orders who is elected pope, you have a doubtful pope.  And, as they say, a doubtful pope is _____ pope (you can fill in the blank).
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 04:20:20 PM »
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  • The bishop promotes the two churches/one pope idea. So, although he heads the conciliar church, he also has (through being situated in Rome) authority over the 'other' church. I would have thought time would erode this argument and may well do so, especially now the SSPX is accepting the conciliar continuity more and more. Myself, I prefer a simple life and complete detachment from the new church.


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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 07:57:56 PM »
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    The bishop promotes the two churches/one pope idea. So, although he heads the conciliar church, he also has (through being situated in Rome) authority over the 'other' church. I would have thought time would erode this argument and may well do so, especially now the SSPX is accepting the conciliar continuity more and more. Myself, I prefer a simple life and complete detachment from the new church.


    You talk about your preference while the Bishop talks about given facts and reality. Pope Franz simply is a reality just like Kaiphas was. For the time being there is no authority on earth to condemn him and some of his predecessors. We don't have to swallow their arrant lies but we have to respect them as officeholders.

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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 08:03:07 PM »
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  • Thank you once more, Sean! (twice more, that is ;-)

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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 09:54:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    The good Bishop Williamson is saying everything the sedevacantist says; notice he says Vatican II is a false religion, notice he does not refer to Vatican II as being Catholic.  Calls it the religion of man, adapting to the world, etc. etc.   I felt I was listing to my CMRI good Bishop.  

    Interesting....



    There is a fine line between the two.  Most of what the CMRI priests and
    bishops say is the same thing that +W or Resistance priests say, and yet
    the Resistance priests hold the line - they do not cross over into the
    sede camp because they do not reject the validity of the Pope
    (or the
    new order bishops, for that matter).  

    It is one item only, or maybe two or three items, but they are all the same
    category or based on the same principle - the validity of holy orders.  

    The pope does not have any additional sacrament.  The Pope has the same
    Holy Orders that Fr. Chazal or Fr. Trincado or a CMRI priest has.  But the
    CMRI priests say that the current pope does not have valid ordination.

    So it's the same question of Holy Orders for priests, bishops and pope.

    The "fine line between the two" boils down to the question of ordination.




    CMRI priest are ordained through the old rite.

    Also the bolded above you claim SSPX do not reject the validity of the Pope?

    Sounds like Bishop W. does, in fact the only difference I see is CMRI, just says what SSPX believes ( at least the resistance do) but SSPX refuse to say what they believe.  I hope they don't start believing what they refuse to admit, as Bishop +W pointed out as a fault.  
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