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Re: Bishop Williamson sermon
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 08:23:38 PM »
Here is more, about 40 minutes worth:




Re: Bishop Williamson sermon
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2019, 02:07:35 AM »
Thanks!  If you really search, there are many conferences oof Bp. W. on line, some dating from the early 1990s or earlier.  I'm sort of piecing them together to make a summer seminar of sorts, taking notes like a class.  Maybe I'll make a test and send it to H. E.!   :incense:


Re: Bishop Williamson sermon
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2019, 10:55:17 AM »
Our problem is this. We have always followed Bp W. and listened closely to him. But now, in recent years, with regard to the neo-sspx, he seems to be lagging behind. Whereas, my wife and I gave up on sspx years ago, and left it far behind, the good bishop still lingers nostalgically about its precincts, and continues to hold out hope for its recovery. Why does he, seemingly, long for the ‘leeks and garlic’ of a neo-sspx? We we see it as totally failed and lost, and try to plod on towards a better Promised Land? He feels that there is still a glimmer of hope for this fallen apostolate, which at one time thrived under the leadership of the Archbishop. He seems to see a struggling organization on the brink of total collapse, but not quite there yet. We view that collapse as a fait accompli. SSPX has been virtually handed over to Rome, and has just become one more glittering rhinestone in the crown of the New Order.
It is not a comfortable position to be in. It is not easy for us to veer off from an excellent bishop, whom we have always deeply admired. But what else can we do in the face of the uncertain and vacillating course which we feel the bishop has set? How can there be a true “Resistance,” if its past is not utterly cut off from that which it resists?

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Re: Bishop Williamson sermon
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2019, 12:59:27 PM »
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He feels that there is still a glimmer of hope for this fallen apostolate, which at one time thrived under the leadership of the Archbishop. He seems to see a struggling organization on the brink of total collapse, but not quite there yet. We view that collapse as a fait accompli. SSPX has been virtually handed over to Rome, and has just become one more glittering rhinestone in the crown of the New Order.
Hollingsworth, you are absolutely correct from a philosophical standpoint, and I'm sure +Williamson agrees with you.  But practically, +Williamson has to be concerned with souls, who need Mass and the sacraments.  Though the new-sspx is headed for disaster, the train has not yet fully gone off the rains.  Until they completely sell out to new-rome, or until they cross the line into unabashed modernism/heresy, then those who have no other options for mass/sacraments must make use of what little orthodoxy that the new-sspx still has.  Bickering over a group or philosophy takes a back seat to real-life concerns over 1,000s of souls.

Re: Bishop Williamson sermon
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2019, 05:42:04 PM »
^^ Agreed. 

Ideals and reality are not aligned for many people. We do the best we can. I don't think it hurts to recognize the new direction of the SSPX and disagree with it while also recognizing the good of individuals. Being hardened and bitter and demonizing isn't going to help, so if the bishop wants to express his goodwill by holding out a glimmer of hope, so be it. Considering many have not given him any courtesies of good will, I find it to be an inspiring example.