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This short video presents an excellent summary of Bishop Williamson's postions. It was recorded in October 2018.


Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary  

Offline Meg

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2019, 08:17:20 AM »
Thank you for posting the above video. I have to wonder why +W felt that he needed to confirm that he is in agreement with Bp. Faure as regards sedevacantism. 

The Resistance forum in France has a motto: "Neither for the ralliers, or for the sedevacantists." 
In France they actually care about the Resistance, which is not really the case here in the U.S.

The leadership of the Resistance has a lot of integrity. That's why I support them. The laity, on the other hand...

I agree especially that Dominican spirituality can help a lot in these times, though IMO it depends on how St. Dominic (and St. Thomas) is interpreted. The Novus Ordo Dominicans are all progressive now, and have been for some time. 


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2019, 12:35:48 PM »
I have to wonder why +W felt that he needed to confirm that he is in agreement with Bp. Faure as regards sedevacantism.

Good question.  There's probably a growing sympathy with sedevacantism in the Resistance ... due to Bergoglio.  Heck, you have people in the Novus Ordo suggesting the same thing.

But notice +William's position ... which he claims (rightly) is identical to that of +Lefebvre.  He says that -- "maybe, maybe, maybe" they are illegitimate.  That we wait for the Church to make the final decision and than act in the practical order as if they're legitimate.

Does this sound like a man who holds the legitimacy of the Conciliar papal claimants to be dogmatic fact?  That is the ordinary level at which Catholics must hold it, as dogma.  There can be absolutely no "maybe" about it.

Consequently, neither +Lefebvre nor +Williamson are actually sedeplenists, and they most certainly do not hold their legitimacy as dogmatic fact.  Hey, XavierSem, a shout-out to you, did you catch this?

Offline Meg

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2019, 12:42:31 PM »
Good question.  There's probably a growing sympathy with sedevacantism in the Resistance ... due to Bergoglio.  Heck, you have people in the Novus Ordo suggesting the same thing.

But notice +William's position ... which he claims (rightly) is identical to that of +Lefebvre.  He says that -- "maybe, maybe, maybe" they are illegitimate.  That we wait for the Church to make the final decision and than act in the practical order as if they're legitimate.

Does this sound like a man who holds the legitimacy of the Conciliar papal claimants to be dogmatic fact?  That is the ordinary level at which Catholics must hold it, as dogma.  There can be absolutely no "maybe" about it.

Consequently, neither +Lefebvre nor +Williamson are actually sedeplenists, and they most certainly do not hold their legitimacy as dogmatic fact.  Hey, XavierSem, a shout-out to you, did you catch this?

Nonsense. You want to make that +W and Lefebvre were in positive doubt as to the legitimacy of the Popes. They have never claimed this. And that is one of the reasons why you and others here undermine the Resistance, with the blessings of the forum owner.

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2019, 02:02:43 PM »
Ladislaus


Bishop Williamson doesn't tolerate sedevacantism among his priests. There was a split between the "non una cuм" priests and the "una cuм" priests in France. Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure, Bishop Thomas Aquinas and Bishop Zendejas refused to continue to collaborate with the "non una cuм" priests : Father Nicolas Pinaud (France), Father Pierre Roy (Canada) and Father Olivier Rioult (France). Therefore, these sedevacantists priests no longer work with the Resistance bishops.