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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2019, 03:07:03 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
Nonsense. You want to make that +W and Lefebvre were in positive doubt as to the legitimacy of the Popes. They have never claimed this. And that is one of the reasons why you and others here undermine the Resistance, with the blessings of the forum owner.
Archbishop Lefebvre didn’t completely rule it out. He was careful with how he said things like “one day, Paul VI and John Paul II May be declared antipopes”. He never formally espouse sedevacantism though. He had his famous “I do not say there is no Pope, but i do not say one cannot say there is no Pope!” To Fr Cekada. 
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Offline Meg

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2019, 05:06:47 PM »
Quote from: Mega-fin on May 24, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
Archbishop Lefebvre didn’t completely rule it out. He was careful with how he said things like “one day, Paul VI and John Paul II May be declared antipopes”. He never formally espouse sedevacantism though. He had his famous “I do not say there is no Pope, but i do not say one cannot say there is no Pope!” To Fr Cekada.

We know that he didn't completely rule it out. That doesn't mean that he was a sedevacantist. He was not, though the many sedes here will say that he would be a sedevacantist now. But no, he wouldn't. He wasn't stupid.
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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2019, 05:54:12 PM »

We know that he didn't completely rule it out. That doesn't mean that he was a sedevacantist. He was not, though the many sedes here will say that he would be a sedevacantist now. But no, he wouldn't. He wasn't stupid.

And if you read what I wrote, I said he didn’t espouse it and never made a claim he would have today. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2019, 07:15:21 PM »
OK, please try to follow the reason, would you, children?

Papal legitimacy is dogmatic fact.

Consequently, papal legitimacy must be known with the certainty of faith.

But +Williamson and +Lefebvre said it's possible that they have not been legitimate.

Consequently, their legitimacy lacks the certainty of faith.

Consequently, they are not sedeplenists in the Catholic sense, but sede-doubtists.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson - Sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2019, 07:16:56 PM »
Quote from: Mega-fin on May 24, 2019, 05:54:12 PM
We know that he didn't completely rule it out. That doesn't mean that he was a sedevacantist.

WHERE did I claim he was a sedevacantist?   :facepalm:

For crying out loud, you people.  
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