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Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
« on: December 05, 2015, 11:52:35 PM »
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    "Only a fool is against Jєωs simply because they are Jєωs. There can be very few directors of Traditional Catholic seminaries, who have invited, as I once did, a Jєωιѕн rabbi to address seminarians. On the other hand, only a Catholic who does not understand his faith is not against the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am against Jєωs or Gentiles who are enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ."-- 2006 interview with Stephen Heiner, http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20129&min=0&num=3


    But notice that he didn't say it's a sin to be against Jєωs because they are Jєωs.

    I find Bishop Williamson generally trustworthy, but this quote indicates a degree of Judaization by way of an attachment to a sentimental humanism.

    It's not unCatholic to be against a Jєω for being a Jєω. He says that he is against any Jєω or gentile who is an enemy of Jesus Christ. Well, a gentile is not an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a gentile, but a Jєω is an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a Jєω, therefore he should be against Jєωs for being Jєωs.

    I wonder if he would still say this after his persecution for doubting the h0Ɩ0cαųst in that interview from 2008. I'd think that experience may have burned away that flabby sentimentality.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2015, 12:09:15 AM »
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  • I'm against the clergy inviting Jєωιѕн rabbis to address anyone about anything.  Why would any Catholic priest who believes in the Church even CONSIDER doing so?
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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2015, 12:46:52 AM »
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    "Only a fool is against Jєωs simply because they are Jєωs. There can be very few directors of Traditional Catholic seminaries, who have invited, as I once did, a Jєωιѕн rabbi to address seminarians. On the other hand, only a Catholic who does not understand his faith is not against the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am against Jєωs or Gentiles who are enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ."-- 2006 interview with Stephen Heiner, http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20129&min=0&num=3


    But notice that he didn't say it's a sin to be against Jєωs because they are Jєωs.

    I find Bishop Williamson generally trustworthy, but this quote indicates a degree of Judaization by way of an attachment to a sentimental humanism.

    It's not unCatholic to be against a Jєω for being a Jєω. He says that he is against any Jєω or gentile who is an enemy of Jesus Christ. Well, a gentile is not an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a gentile, but a Jєω is an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a Jєω, therefore he should be against Jєωs for being Jєωs.

    I wonder if he would still say this after his persecution for doubting the h0Ɩ0cαųst in that interview from 2008. I'd think that experience may have burned away that flabby sentimentality.


    There are many Jєωs who are Catholic. There have been a lot of saints, some of the greatest, who were from Jєωιѕн families. It is not allowed to hate Jєωs simply for being Jєωs. Catholics are forbidden to hate any race.

    I don't know why he would have asked a rabbi to speak to the seminarians, but that aside, we aren't allowed to hate anyone. We must pray for our enemies as Our Lord asked. When did He ever say to hate them? On the contrary, He said to love them.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2015, 01:35:55 AM »
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    "Only a fool is against Jєωs simply because they are Jєωs. There can be very few directors of Traditional Catholic seminaries, who have invited, as I once did, a Jєωιѕн rabbi to address seminarians. On the other hand, only a Catholic who does not understand his faith is not against the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am against Jєωs or Gentiles who are enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ."-- 2006 interview with Stephen Heiner, http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20129&min=0&num=3


    But notice that he didn't say it's a sin to be against Jєωs because they are Jєωs.

    I find Bishop Williamson generally trustworthy, but this quote indicates a degree of Judaization by way of an attachment to a sentimental humanism.

    It's not unCatholic to be against a Jєω for being a Jєω. He says that he is against any Jєω or gentile who is an enemy of Jesus Christ. Well, a gentile is not an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a gentile, but a Jєω is an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a Jєω, therefore he should be against Jєωs for being Jєωs.

    I wonder if he would still say this after his persecution for doubting the h0Ɩ0cαųst in that interview from 2008. I'd think that experience may have burned away that flabby sentimentality.


    There are many Jєωs who are Catholic. There have been a lot of saints, some of the greatest, who were from Jєωιѕн families. It is not allowed to hate Jєωs simply for being Jєωs. Catholics are forbidden to hate any race.

    I don't know why he would have asked a rabbi to speak to the seminarians, but that aside, we aren't allowed to hate anyone. We must pray for our enemies as Our Lord asked. When did He ever say to hate them? On the contrary, He said to love them.



    Either you're ignorant to this kind of conversation, or you're using the classic 20th Century trick of referring to either Judaism or Semitic people, according to whatever conveniently suits your need.

    Typically on these Catholic forums, we are referring to people of the Judaic Zionist mindset.  
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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2015, 12:00:37 PM »
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  • He's saying that only a fool is an αnтι-ѕємιтє. (ie. disliking Jєωs because they are ethnically Jєωs)

    Being against a religious Jєω's Judaism, is no different than a Catholic being against an Englishman's Anglicanism or a Russian's or Greek's Orthodoxy.  

    Every one of those ethnic groups or nationalities has a God given right to become members of the Catholic Church.  And any of them can be great Catholics and become saints either recognized or unrecognized as such.  


    When our Lady heralds in the conversion of the mass of muslims, it's going to be very hard to call the Catholic Church "anti-semitic" with hundreds of millions of Arab Catholics.  

    And when Jєωs and Muslims both convert to Catholicism, there will be peace in the Middle East.


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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2015, 12:10:51 PM »
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    "Only a fool is against Jєωs simply because they are Jєωs. There can be very few directors of Traditional Catholic seminaries, who have invited, as I once did, a Jєωιѕн rabbi to address seminarians. On the other hand, only a Catholic who does not understand his faith is not against the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am against Jєωs or Gentiles who are enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ."-- 2006 interview with Stephen Heiner, http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20129&min=0&num=3


    But notice that he didn't say it's a sin to be against Jєωs because they are Jєωs.

    I find Bishop Williamson generally trustworthy, but this quote indicates a degree of Judaization by way of an attachment to a sentimental humanism.

    It's not unCatholic to be against a Jєω for being a Jєω. He says that he is against any Jєω or gentile who is an enemy of Jesus Christ. Well, a gentile is not an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a gentile, but a Jєω is an enemy of Jesus Christ by virtue of being a Jєω, therefore he should be against Jєωs for being Jєωs.

    I wonder if he would still say this after his persecution for doubting the h0Ɩ0cαųst in that interview from 2008. I'd think that experience may have burned away that flabby sentimentality.


    If you are a fool for doing something, then it is at least a venial sin, because obviously it would be against prudence.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2015, 12:42:13 PM »
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  • I heard that in order to be confirmed in the Dioceses of Houston and
    Galveston, Texas. You have to be signed off by a Jєωιѕн Rabbi, and
    a Protestant minister. This before the vast immigration of Muslims
    into the area. I guess now it includes a Muslim Imam.
    Novus Ordo confirmations is not to gather graces to defend the
    Catholic Faith. But to see all religions as equals and all are saved.




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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
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    He's saying that only a fool is an αnтι-ѕємιтє. (ie. disliking Jєωs because they are ethnically Jєωs)

    Being against a religious Jєω's Judaism, is no different than a Catholic being against an Englishman's Anglicanism or a Russian's or Greek's Orthodoxy.  

    Every one of those ethnic groups or nationalities has a God given right to become members of the Catholic Church.  And any of them can be great Catholics and become saints either recognized or unrecognized as such.  


    When our Lady heralds in the conversion of the mass of muslims, it's going to be very hard to call the Catholic Church "anti-semitic" with hundreds of millions of Arab Catholics.  

    And when Jєωs and Muslims both convert to Catholicism, there will be peace in the Middle East.


    Aren't you aware that Jєωs call Arabs αnтι-ѕємιтєs as it is? And there are already plenty of Arab Catholics. The conversion of huge numbers of them to Catholicism won't keep them from being called αnтι-ѕємιтєs.

    Being against an Englishman's Anglicanism is good, but being against an Englishman for being an Englishman is bad, because the Englishman could be good. The Jєω can't be good unless he ceases to be a Jєω. He's not like the Englishman, because the Jєω wouldn't call himself a Jєω if he weren't a product or disciple of the тαℓмυd, whereas an Englishman can be an Englishman without being an Anglican. The ethnic identity of the Jєω is tied to the тαℓмυd, so even if he calls himself a "Jєωιѕн atheist" he is still as much a Jєω as Maimonides.

    The difference between Catholics and racialists is that Catholics believe that a Jєω can choose not to be a Jєω. The racialist believes that a Jєω has to have his particular spiritual qualities, that they result from his genes. Ironically Jєωs and racialists are on the same page, in this regard. Which makes sense. Judaism is a racial supremacist religion that teaches that gentiles are genetically inferior to Jєωs. To be a Jєω requires that you have a Jєωιѕн mother, so it's an identity based on blood kinship and not spirit kinship. It's odd that we're supposed to think nαzιs are evil for being racial supremacists but think Jєωs are good.

    A Jєω should be held in contempt purely for being a Jєω. For him to remove the curse God placed on his head requires that he destroy his Jєωιѕнness.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    If you are a fool for doing something, then it is at least a venial sin, because obviously it would be against prudence.


    Yeah but it wouldn't even count as foolish, much less sinful, to be against a Jєω because he's a Jєω.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Bishop Williamson quote about Jєωs
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    There are many Jєωs who are Catholic. There have been a lot of saints, some of the greatest, who were from Jєωιѕн families. It is not allowed to hate Jєωs simply for being Jєωs. Catholics are forbidden to hate any race.


    When a Jєω becomes Catholic he ceases to be a Jєω, if his conversion is sincere. There are former Jєωs who became Catholic saints. Many if not most of them were disowned by their Jєωιѕн families.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2015, 01:19:23 PM »
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  • IS 'rum' who initiated this thread a pfeifferite? Their hatred of Bp Williamson and now Bp Faure is deep.


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    Aren't you aware that Jєωs call Arabs αnтι-ѕємιтєs as it is? And there are already plenty of Arab Catholics. The conversion of huge numbers of them to Catholicism won't keep them from being called αnтι-ѕємιтєs.


    No, Numbers do often have a tendency to cause someone to curtail their boldness at times.  I think a vast sea of Catholics of Arab descent, heck they could be named the "Semitic Church" if they enter en masse.  

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    Being against an Englishman's Anglicanism is good, but being against an Englishman for being an Englishman is bad, because the Englishman could be good. The Jєω can't be good unless he ceases to be a Jєω. He's not like the Englishman, because the Jєω wouldn't call himself a Jєω if he weren't a product or disciple of the тαℓмυd,


    No. That's not true.  Plenty of Jєωs do not follow or even know the тαℓмυd who say they are Jєωιѕн.  

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    whereas an Englishman can be an Englishman without being an Anglican. The ethnic identity of the Jєω is tied to the тαℓмυd, so even if he calls himself a "Jєωιѕн atheist" he is still as much a Jєω as Maimonides.


    We're not talking about the "Ethnic Identity" we are talking about the ethnicity itself.  I know people who were adopted who do not know their ethnic origins.  A guy told me, I could be Greek, Italian or Jєωιѕн or something else, I don't know. The ethnic identity of the Irish was pagan at one time.  They didn't cease to be Irish because they became Catholic.  

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    The difference between Catholics and racialists is that Catholics believe that a Jєω can choose not to be a Jєω.

    If he converts from Judaism to Catholicism, he's a Catholic who is Jєωιѕн or Hebrew or however they phrase their ethnicity.  They might say American as well.  

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    The racialist believes that a Jєω has to have his particular spiritual qualities, that they result from his genes. Ironically Jєωs and racialists are on the same page, in this regard. Which makes sense. Judaism is a racial supremacist religion that teaches that gentiles are genetically inferior to Jєωs. To be a Jєω requires that you have a Jєωιѕн mother, so it's an identity based on blood kinship and not spirit kinship. It's odd that we're supposed to think nαzιs are evil for being racial supremacists but think Jєωs are good.


    Judaism in its different strains some of which have a racialist element to them, but that's a religious and cultural belief.  It's not necessary for any ethnically Jєωιѕн person to buy into the premise. The religion doesn't own the race.  And the race certainly doesn't own the religion since there are non-Jєωιѕн converts to Judaism going on all the time.  

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    A Jєω should be held in contempt purely for being a Jєω.


    No. That's kind of a poisoned offshoot of Catholic thinking more in line with Lutheranism actually.  No person should be held in contempt because all people are created by God in His image and Likeness.  You are suppose to hold erroneous ideas in contempt because they keep those souls away from attaining Heaven.  

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     For him to remove the curse God placed on his head requires that he destroy his Jєωιѕнness.


    No. He has to renounce his Judaism, not destroy his Jєωιѕнness.  You don't seem to see how many rituals and symbols of Catholicism are from the Jєωιѕнness of the early Church.  Everything that was in Judaism prior to the тαℓмυd was the one, true religion.  Christ fulfilled that religion and made it new, with the Church as the new Israel, but you can still recognize the Jєωιѕн elements in the Church.  If anything that should be a great attraction for a practicing Jєω of good will and those that see it, convert.  


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    Quote from: rum
    Aren't you aware that Jєωs call Arabs αnтι-ѕємιтєs as it is? And there are already plenty of Arab Catholics. The conversion of huge numbers of them to Catholicism won't keep them from being called αnтι-ѕємιтєs.


    No, Numbers do often have a tendency to cause someone to curtail their boldness at times.  I think a vast sea of Catholics of Arab descent, heck they could be named the "Semitic Church" if they enter en masse.  

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    Being against an Englishman's Anglicanism is good, but being against an Englishman for being an Englishman is bad, because the Englishman could be good. The Jєω can't be good unless he ceases to be a Jєω. He's not like the Englishman, because the Jєω wouldn't call himself a Jєω if he weren't a product or disciple of the тαℓмυd,


    No. That's not true.  Plenty of Jєωs do not follow or even know the тαℓмυd who say they are Jєωιѕн.  

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    whereas an Englishman can be an Englishman without being an Anglican. The ethnic identity of the Jєω is tied to the тαℓмυd, so even if he calls himself a "Jєωιѕн atheist" he is still as much a Jєω as Maimonides.


    We're not talking about the "Ethnic Identity" we are talking about the ethnicity itself.  I know people who were adopted who do not know their ethnic origins.  A guy told me, I could be Greek, Italian or Jєωιѕн or something else, I don't know. The ethnic identity of the Irish was pagan at one time.  They didn't cease to be Irish because they became Catholic.  

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    The difference between Catholics and racialists is that Catholics believe that a Jєω can choose not to be a Jєω.

    If he converts from Judaism to Catholicism, he's a Catholic who is Jєωιѕн or Hebrew or however they phrase their ethnicity.  They might say American as well.  

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    The racialist believes that a Jєω has to have his particular spiritual qualities, that they result from his genes. Ironically Jєωs and racialists are on the same page, in this regard. Which makes sense. Judaism is a racial supremacist religion that teaches that gentiles are genetically inferior to Jєωs. To be a Jєω requires that you have a Jєωιѕн mother, so it's an identity based on blood kinship and not spirit kinship. It's odd that we're supposed to think nαzιs are evil for being racial supremacists but think Jєωs are good.


    Judaism in its different strains some of which have a racialist element to them, but that's a religious and cultural belief.  It's not necessary for any ethnically Jєωιѕн person to buy into the premise. The religion doesn't own the race.  And the race certainly doesn't own the religion since there are non-Jєωιѕн converts to Judaism going on all the time.  

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    A Jєω should be held in contempt purely for being a Jєω.


    No. That's kind of a poisoned offshoot of Catholic thinking more in line with Lutheranism actually.  No person should be held in contempt because all people are created by God in His image and Likeness.  You are suppose to hold erroneous ideas in contempt because they keep those souls away from attaining Heaven.  

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     For him to remove the curse God placed on his head requires that he destroy his Jєωιѕнness.


    No. He has to renounce his Judaism, not destroy his Jєωιѕнness.  You don't seem to see how many rituals and symbols of Catholicism are from the Jєωιѕнness of the early Church.  Everything that was in Judaism prior to the тαℓмυd was the one, true religion.  Christ fulfilled that religion and made it new, with the Church as the new Israel, but you can still recognize the Jєωιѕн elements in the Church.  If anything that should be a great attraction for a practicing Jєω of good will and those that see it, convert.  



    Gerard: What a clear mind you have.  :applause:

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    I heard that in order to be confirmed in the Dioceses of Houston and Galveston, Texas. You have to be signed off by a Jєωιѕн Rabbi, and a Protestant minister. This before the vast immigration of Muslims into the area. I guess now it includes a Muslim Imam. Novus Ordo confirmations is not to gather graces to defend the
    Catholic Faith. But to see all religions as equals and all are saved.


    I found this curious so I went to the archdiocese's website.  I found it even more curious that the guidelines for preparation for confirmation in the archdiocese are password protected and only available to pastors and parish catechetical leaders.

    I have to ask, why would the guidelines for confirmation be secret if not because the guidelines would be...objectionable.

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    I heard that in order to be confirmed in the Dioceses of Houston and Galveston, Texas. You have to be signed off by a Jєωιѕн Rabbi, and a Protestant minister. This before the vast immigration of Muslims into the area. I guess now it includes a Muslim Imam. Novus Ordo confirmations is not to gather graces to defend the
    Catholic Faith. But to see all religions as equals and all are saved.


    I found this curious so I went to the archdiocese's website.  I found it even more curious that the guidelines for preparation for confirmation in the archdiocese are password protected and only available to pastors and parish catechetical leaders.

    I have to ask, why would the guidelines for confirmation be secret if not because the guidelines would be...objectionable.


    This came from memory when Archbishop Lefebvre was still alive.
    It was either something from the Archbishop in print, or an audio
    speech (this was before the computer). The Archbishop mentioned
    the fact to get confirmed in the Houston-Galveston Dioceses
    the candidates would have to be signed off by a Jєωιѕн Rabbi, and
    a Protestant minister.
    The purpose of the Sacrament of Confirmation is to give you grace to
    defend the Faith, even to die for the Faith.
    I Thank God I was Confirmed in 1962. I remember the Bishop
    quizzed my confirmation class before they were confirmed. Their
    knowledge of the Faith.