There is SO MUCH wrong with the Accordista/anti-Resistance position, but today let's just take this one topic.

It's not Bishop Williamson that's hated or attacked by the compromisers in the SSPX; it's everything he teaches or represents.

He represents the classic SSPX position of +Lefevbre. He represents humility in the SSPX, as in "we're only special insofar as we fight for the truth -- other than that, we're just unprofitable servants."

What a contrast with +Fellay and countless other SSPX priests who agree with him, who think the SSPX is the neatest thing since sliced bread; a stellar organization that God NEEDS if He wants to end the Church Crisis!

You might doubt that last statement. I did as well, until I thought about it for a moment: If +Fellay and his cabal DIDN'T think the SSPX was something special in itself, why would they strive to warp and dilute the SSPX into another FSSP or Indult organization?

What ever happened to "God can raise up children to Abraham from the very stones"?

Here is the key point:

We already have the Fraternity of St. Peter. We already have the Institute of Christ the King as well as Summorum Pontificuм (the Indult). All of these groups say the Tridentine Mass and are approved by Rome. If those groups didn't bring in floods of Catholics and turn around the Church from the broad path of Modernism and destruction, what makes anyone think the SSPX getting regularized by the Church will make any difference?

Who, exactly, is waiting on the wings ready to join the Traditional movement as soon as the SSPX makes a deal with Rome? In most locations, some kind of Indult or FSSP Mass is available already. Most traditional organizations set up Mass centers where there are good numbers of Trad Catholics. It's not poaching, money-grubbing or any of that; it's just common sense. You start a chapel where the Trads are.

Apparently some think that the SSPX is special because it's so big. They're the SSPX. The proverbial cat's meow. Or is it some kind of cult of personality issue: "the SSPX has Bishop Fellay, the secret weapon to defeat Modernism!"

Why doesn't the FSSP build a massive seminary like the SSPX is doing? If the SSPX is somehow unprecedented or great, then what is the common understanding of the reason for its greatness? Is it the SSPX bank balance? Is it the unparalleled leadership ability of +Fellay? Is it the organization's reputation?

I'd honestly like to know, from one of the Accordistas themselves.

Not true.

In fact very many SSPX Trads like Bishop Williamson.  He's difficult not to like with his wit and intelligence and his free speaking mind.  He has many qualities of a natural leader.

What many don't like is his extreme position taking on issues such as women in pants, the sound of Music, women going to higher education, the nαzι death camps and even sympathetic overtures he has made to the nαzιs in the past.

Because he has been so unbalanced over the years, and his reputation goes back to at least 1985, he has lost some degree of credibility with the SSPX laity.

The time to get all "sandwich board crazy" is right before the Apocalypse.  Doing it 40 years in advance tends to make one lose credibility because people have to be able to live their lives out, hold down jobs, start families and be as positive about life as possible for decade after decade.

The reaction to Williamson is a cuмulative effect of decades of his fringe views.  People see his current position resisting the SSPX as simply another fringe position.

Instead of moaning about the SSPX why don't the resistance simply build a better mousetrap and grow your organisation to compete, like Apple did with Microsoft?  Constant griping is going to get you nowhere.

First and foremost ggreg let us get things straight women wearing pants is coming from a world hell bent on defeminizing women making them the same as men when they are clearly different to men. They have a role ordained by God to be different from men so they should differ from men in their actions and in their dress. This is the glory of women and they only have to look at their role model, our Blessed Lady, at Her apparitions She was never in pants.

Next, the Sound of Music. It came from a morally reprehensible organization, Hollywood, whose very first movies were pornographic, that is fact. The main actor Christopher Plummer, a Jєω, and an actress Judy Garland, whose next movie after the aforementioned title featured her nude. This movie and others like Going My Way and The Bells of St. Mary's, The Song of Bernadette, were a response from the same pornographic Hollywood because Cardinal I think Spellman was successful in keeping Catholics away from going to films made by Hollywood with his Catholic star rating. They [Hollywood] were loosing revenue and these films were to appease Catholics to come back to the cinema and grab their money. These movies also were quite dodgy in their teaching.

Next, women going to university. God ordained that women stay at home and rear the Children and not to be bread earners, he gave man that role to provide for his family. Yes there are exceptional cases where the women have to earn, but in general it is not necessary for women to go to university because she is not meant to be the bread earner. Secondly in universities there is a constant attack on womanhood, there are programs of defeminization there by promoting immorality. Yes it also attacks manhood but with no women there men can be kept in check there are less temptations. We have a saying "A bad woman destroys seven parishes" obviously the same goes if you have a bad priest.
I'm not against women having an education, she too has a soul to save. But in universities one needs an education to get a good job and thus to provide the necessary financial support to sustain a family but this is not the role of women but of men. Attack this and you're attacking God and His providential place.
Next, His Lordship is in no way sympathetic to the nαzιs. I ought to know, I attended his classes and did refer to these people as a Godless lot he NEVER CONDONED their actions whilst I was in seminary. Yes I feel that the interview was imprudent but it was based on a secret report given by a RUSSIAN Jєωιѕн ENGINEER that those chambers could never be used because theywould have killed the locals aswell., these are facts.

I hope this answers everything. His Lordship only stands up for the truth and if you can't accept reality, well then I shall quote "The Song of Bernadette" as it says, "there is none so blind as those who do not want to see".

In Christo
Ark of Covenant

Regret to say that none of +Williamson's contemporaries on the faculties at Winona or La Reja have followed him into the Resistance. Not one of them.

Not true.

What many don't like is his extreme position taking on issues such as women in pants.......
The reaction to Williamson is a cuмulative effect of decades of his fringe views.  People see his current position resisting the SSPX as simply another fringe position.

Instead of moaning about the SSPX.........

That's a great comparison. People who think women should wear pants and all that that implies seem to think that his resistance position is comparable with this "fringe" view.

Spoken like a true liberal.

If the people who don't like +Williamson don't like him because they think women should walk around in pants, then I think it's safe to say he's doing the right thing. It's like separating the wheat. Imagine 20 years from now if the crisis is still not resolved. The Society will have all the pants wearing women attending their chapels with their effeminate husbands and the resistance will be preserving tradition in the face of the modern world, if what gig gregge says is true.

Why not have the priest wear pants too? Wear does this thinking lead? What's wrong with it.

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Regret to say that none of +Williamson's contemporaries on the faculties at Winona or La Reja have followed him into the Resistance. Not one of them.

Didn't he actually say something telling them not to jump ship. In fact, I know of at least one that supports him at least to the faithful whom he knows.  

Dont know if he told them that. He has said that the SSPX ship has holes/is leaking. I would be very worried if he told them not to jump this ship!.

Regret to say that none of +Williamson's contemporaries on the faculties at Winona or La Reja have followed him into the Resistance. Not one of them.

Perhaps they reached similar conclusions to me?

 1. Written docuмents--Orders for Zyklon-B gas, blueprints and orders for building materials for the crematoria, etc.

2. Eyewitness testimony--Sonderkommando diaries, confessions of guards and commandants, etc.

3. Photographs--Not only of the camps, but especially interesting are the secret photos taken of the burning of bodies that were smuggled out of Auschwitz.

4. The camps themselves--forensic tests have now been conducted demonstrating the homicidal use of both the gas chambers and the crematoria for the express purpose of exterminating large numbers of prisoners (Pressac, 1989; Pressac and Van Pelt, 1994).

5. Negative evidence--we have docuмentation of the numbers of prisoners shipped to the various camps, the numbers that were transferred, and the number liberated. The difference between the latter with the former two figures gives an approximation of the numbers who died or were killed (see Hilberg, 1961).

Once these historical data have been linked together the burden of proof is on the revisionists to disentangle them, both individually and as a whole.