Know your enemy! Never mind what he calls you.

You know, Gerard, instead of you asking questions or trying to understand what I said (you know, like a NORMAL conversation) you just butt in, take what I said out of context, interpret what I said to your own understanding and then attack it.  It's so childish and I refuse to answer you anymore.

I didn't need to ask questions because I understood exactly what you stated.  

It is a public forum so I didn't "butt in" I commented.  

I didn't take anything you said out of context.  

I didn't "interpret" it.  I analyzed it and made a general comment in opposition to it.  

You are free to answer me or not.  I don't care.  

Don't mind the Conciliarist from Fish Eaters too much, Pax.

Cute.  

He can't help it.  He admits he goes to the Novus Ordo, so he has a desperate, personal reason for exonerating it.

That's pure fiction.  I've been to the Novus Ordo about 4 times in the last 14 years.  

But I do know what I'm referring to.  

I do exonerate it from false charges, that doesn't mean it's not a liturgical failure.  

Yet few on this board take him to task on that.

Why should people defend your false premises?  

Because while everyone argues about old women and how it's OK for them to go (so long as they gain some "spiritual benefit", you understand), and how the Novus Ordo is a grace-giving event (it's "heresy" to deny it!), and how people who oppose it on principal are "exaggerating" or "over-reacting", they can't really correct the Conciliarist from Fish Eaters without seeming two-faced, can they?

By the very fact that you refer to me as "conciliarist" is proof of your inability to stop the B.S.  

You can't correct me because you refuse to face the truth and you find the refuge of creating a straw man argument irresistible.  

You can't correct me because when it comes down to the details on which the argument is built, you can't deny them.  

My foundations of my arguments are correct, real and true.  Yours are imprecise, subjective and contingent in nature,  

It's like arguing with an Atheist and that makes sense because you are imbibing in a variant of Modernism and that always leads to agnosticism and eventually atheism.  

Ok, so riddle me this...the novus ordo should exonerated from what?  The charges against it are those of theologian Ottaviani, not me.  He said it has a doubtful consecration, a faulty theology and teaches a different Faith than Trent.  Please tell me where he's wrong and BE SPECIFIC.  no generalizations, no personal opinion.  Show me where Ottaviani is wrong, by quoting a theological source.  And, no, "new advent.com" doesn't count.  

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He can't help it.  He admits he goes to the Novus Ordo, so he has a desperate, personal reason for exonerating it.

A wild charge, of a piece with a lot of  wild charges which are made against folks on this forum by a variety of careless and thoughtless forum droolers.


Gerard:

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That's pure fiction.  I've been to the Novus Ordo about 4 times in the last 14 years.  

But I do know what I'm referring to.  

I do exonerate it from false charges, that doesn't mean it's not a liturgical failure.  

But you see, Gerard, some of these massive intellects can not bear the idea that the Novus Ordo should be exonerated from false charges.  That you inform them that you have rarely attended MO Masses, and that you believe the NO to be a "liturgical failure" counts for nothing in their small minds.  The fact that you give the NO any breathing space at all is intolerable.  Because, quite frankly, to do so, is to exonerate the bishop and to let him off the hook.

(Now just watch the number of 'thumbs down' that I get from some of these dopes.  I am an avid collector of 'thumbs down,' and feel honored each time I receive one.)  

Drat!   We can't "thumb you down" cause Herr moderator has blocked us!

Here... take this Holly.    

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Drat!  We can't "thumb you down" cause Herr moderator has blocked us!

Here... take this Holly.    

Why would the moderator block a 'thumbs down?"  I don't get it.

Cause your special ?  :thinking:

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Oh, be quiet, you Conciliarist.

Gerard from Fish Eaters said,

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The Novus Ordo in its absolutely best light with no abuse is simply a more simple form of liturgy.  It is a valid rite, It is the "true mass" as some are fond of phrasing it.  

And there it is.............................

You have to say it like this:  



  "You Concilarisssst!!!"  

I was hearing about the freemasons as a boy and my parents talked about them at length but no names seemed to crop up and one could be excused for thinking that they were one of the Church's classic bogeymen to scare the untutored, children and horses. To the extent that the Church we are also told has been riddled with them throughout history, the impression is that they take the form of some malevolent mist that descends on otherwise pious folk during their weak moments and carries them away to worship some other deity. If such an evil entity is attacking the very vitals of the Church and the SSPX, cannot the bishop name them so that we can mobilise and go and kill its leaders, wives, mistresses, servants, dogs and slaves? Or must they remain as some undefined agency of fear      immune from attack because of their useful place in a very familiar strategy? Very much how the devil is depicted.

I would kindly request you to hear the sermon again…You miss the point completely….the answers are all there…. besides….What did Our Lord do in the Garden of Gethsemane ? Did Our Lord fight the Romans and Jews who came to Crucify Him? Holy Scriptures informs us that Our Lord and Savior prayed for the reparation of Our Sins.

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
Luke 22:44 “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

His Excellency +W reminds us that one of our greatest weapon against The Satan and his minions is the Most Holy Rosary.