Author Topic: Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016 (Read 22170 times)

ihsv · « **Reply #180 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:23:34 PM »

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Ah! Conciliarist lite comes to the rescue of Conciliarist Extraordinaire!

Yes, it must continue. He keeps coming back, and as long as he keeps posting, we'll be posting.

I've been called a lot of things over the years, but not a "Conciliarist." This is a first. :scared2:

Gerard may deserve criticism, I don't know. It's certain that he and Fr. Kramer get under one another's skin. That's pretty evident. But I don't see Gerard trying to head folks back to Rome. But if I'm wrong, supply some text from Gerard, and I'll reconsider.

Gerard is actively defending the revolution in the form of the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo, the "good intentions" of the revolutionaries (Paul VI, Bugnini, etc.,), the "catholicity" of ecuмenism, etc. You see that. Of course you do. And because you "don't know" if he deserves criticism, the label of "conciliarist lite" seems appropriate. Particularly since you're the only person I've seen openly defend him. There may be others, but I haven't seen it.

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You say, ihsv, that Gerard "keeps coming back." But then, so do you. :rolleyes:

That's the rub, isn't it? A typical tactic of the revolutionaries, whether it be getting evil legislation past or changing the mindset of a society, is relentlessness. Constantly pushing, never giving up. Again and again, over and over, until they wear down the opposition and achieve their aims. Gerard is very much like that. Normal people recognize bad will when they see it and eventually "shake the dust off their feet" rather than continue arguing. That leaves the weak minded and undecided lurkers vulnerable.

Such people aren't worth arguing with, and are worthy of nothing but public ridicule.

If Gerard would stop, I wouldn't have a reason to come back to this thread, now would I? And why should three or four posters have to stop posting on a thread rather than the one?

Make you a deal. If Gerard doesn't post any more on this thread, neither will I. If he does, well....

JPaul · « **Reply #181 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:26:35 PM »

I would suggest, since I have been been dealing with this fellow for months now, that yes he is indeed a conciliar apologist, but more importantly he is a subversive.
How are we to convince and convert the great Mass of presumed ignorant Novus Ordo folks, when you have a constant stream of confusing half truths and misrepresentations undermining the message that the Novus Ordo is very bad for Catholics and a peril to their faith. Little headway can be made when such compromised and compromising views are being inserted into Traditional discussions.
This revolution is far from over, it is a work in progress, so, we are still at war with this council, its false mass, its promoters, and its practitioners.

They are now sufficiently emboldened to challenge any part of the settled Magisterium and to the face a well trained priest such as Father Kramer.

A subversive in our midst.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #182 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:41:15 PM »

ihsv:

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Such people aren't worth arguing with, and are worthy of nothing but public ridicule.

Then don't argue with "such people."

JPaul · « **Reply #183 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:43:12 PM »

Ihsv,

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Normal people recognize bad will when they see it and eventually "shake the dust off their feet" rather than continue arguing. That leaves the weak minded and undecided lurkers vulnerable.

And that is the only reason that I have continued to engage this individual for months now. If people have wondered why? There it is.

This is the same battle which was fought against a post council hoarde of conciliar apologists decades ago, and here it is again, to infect and subvert a new and uninformed generation whose only recourse has generally been to the indoctrination of the Vatican II church and its New Religion.

ihsv · « **Reply #184 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM »

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Such people aren't worth arguing with, and are worthy of nothing but public ridicule.

Then don't argue with "such people."

I haven't been arguing with him. I've been ridiculing him.

Like this:

It only takes a few minutes to put together.

I see the need to modify the "deal" I offered in my previous post

Make you a deal. If Gerard doesn't post any more on this thread, neither will I (unless someone makes a post directed at me). If he does, well....

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #185 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:46:46 PM »

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ihsv:
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Ah! Conciliarist lite comes to the rescue of Conciliarist Extraordinaire!

Yes, it must continue. He keeps coming back, and as long as he keeps posting, we'll be posting.

I've been called a lot of things over the years, but not a "Conciliarist." This is a first. :scared2:

Gerard may deserve criticism, I don't know. It's certain that he and Fr. Kramer get under one another's skin. That's pretty evident. But I don't see Gerard trying to head folks back to Rome. But if I'm wrong, supply some text from Gerard, and I'll reconsider.

You say, ihsv, that Gerard "keeps coming back." But then, so do you. :rolleyes:

Don't worry about it, just roll with it. These guys have gone so far off the rails. I"m having a ball.

They are just spinning the wheel to come up with new nonsense.

ihsv · « **Reply #186 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:48:13 PM »

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Don't worry about it, just roll with it. These guys have gone so far off the rails. I"m having a ball.

They are just spinning the wheel to come up with new nonsense.

Oops! Deal's off :)

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #187 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:50:56 PM »

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In view of what the good priest Fr.Paul Kramer said about Mr.Gerard of FE, I hearby plead to the good Moderator to BAN Mr.Gerard of FE from this Forum.

Ban me if you want, I say I have the right to defend my good name.

Fr. Kramer is an intellectual slob based on his "inadvertent" errors that he brushes away with a wave of the hand.

He engages in a flame war with the comment "dolt." and is horrified that someone would call him on it.

It's an act of charity to tell the truth.

I'll respond to Fr. Kramer's slop on a new topic.

Your Argument falls flat and is deceptive. Just because he calls you a Dolt does not give you reason or justification to commit the Grave SIN of Sacrilege. And you call this An act of charity to tell the truth?? Really?! To commit the SIN of Public Sacrilege is NOT charity

I quote again Fr.Paul Kramer's words

After all the scurrilous sophistry and stupidity Gerard has presented in his off point rants, he then has the sacrilegious effrontery to call a Roman educated priest with multiple ecclesiastical degrees "an intellectual slob", "who makes up history, and spreads heresy to support his political agenda".
Gerard is guilty of public sacrilege for gratuitously vilifying a priest and falsely accusing him of heresy. What heretical proposition have I professed? He doesn't say. (Let him produce a direct verbatim quotation of my heresy!) It does not exist. He is therefore to be considered a public sinner to be deprived of receiving Holy Communion, as is set forth in can. 915 of the Code of Canon Law.

So many things wrong with that.

Telling the truth isn't sacrilege.

Fr. Kramer despite his delusions doesn't hold authority to make that judgement.

In my reply on the other thread, I suggested he give me the information for where he is incarnated and the name of his superior and we'll set the canonical process in motion.

He can make his case in front of Archbishop Chaput and explain how he'll appeal to Pope Ganswein or whomever he has discerned is Pope by then if it isn't himself.

ihsv · « **Reply #188 on:** June 01, 2016, 02:52:30 PM »

Gerard,

Just curious, what is that new-age looking avatar of yours? It's difficult to tell what it is because it's so small.

ihsv · « **Reply #189 on:** June 01, 2016, 03:02:59 PM »

Nevermind. Found a larger version of it.

:confused1:

:shocked:

What. Is. That?

Servus Pius · « **Reply #190 on:** June 01, 2016, 03:23:54 PM »

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Nevermind. Found a larger version of it.

:confused1:

:shocked:

What. Is. That?

You are right, it definitely looks like a New Age icon. Looks sinister even.

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #191 on:** June 01, 2016, 04:27:39 PM »

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Nevermind. Found a larger version of it.

:confused1:

:shocked:

What. Is. That?

You will grasp at anything you can find.

Also, you mean you made a larger version of it.

It's a vidcap from the finale of the Fantastic Four: Rise of the Siver Surfer with a few additional flares and adjustments added by me.

When I saw the movie I was reminded me of the Transfiguration.

Over at Suscipe Domine I have the tagline ".. and his raiment became white and glittering."

Sorry. I'm a fun guy on top of everything else. But I can see your delicate nature is disturbed. I'll update it for you if you like to help you relax.

Don Paolo · « **Reply #192 on:** June 01, 2016, 05:04:53 PM »

Gerard is a public sinner guilty of sacrilege for falsely accusing a priest of heresy -- and yes, I do have the theological competence to make that judgment. No jurisdiction is required for a priest with pontifical degrees to condemn the sins of evildoers.

JPaul · « **Reply #193 on:** June 01, 2016, 05:29:24 PM »

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Quote from: ihsv
Nevermind. Found a larger version of it.

:confused1:

:shocked:

What. Is. That?

You are right, it definitely looks like a New Age icon. Looks sinister even.

"We too now have the cult of Man"

ihsv · « **Reply #194 on:** June 01, 2016, 06:31:36 PM »

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You will grasp at anything you can find.

:rolleyes:

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Also, you mean you made a larger version of it.

No, I found it. I did a google image search for "conciliarist" and it showed up, right next to the pic of the "Catholic Social Teaching for Dummies" book.

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