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Bishop Williamson Expelled?
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:27:57 PM »
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  • Has anyone information on this?

    Is it true?

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    « Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 05:44:44 PM »
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  • If he's not expelled it still doesn't look good according to today's release on the  SSPX website.   Here it is.
       
    Fr. Bouchacourt's communiqué concerning
    Bishop Williamson's visit to Brazil
     
     
     
    9-11-2012
    The SSPX's District Superior of South America published this communiqué on September 6, 2012 concerning a confirmation visit Bishop Richard Williamson made to the Benedictine monastery of Holy Cross in Nova Friburgo in the province of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil at the invitation of the prior, Fr. Tomas de Aquino.

    This communiqué has been published on the Brazilian section of the South American District website >
     

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    Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pio X
    Distrito America del Sur
    El Superior
    +Martinez [Province of Buenos Aires, Argentina]

    September 6, 2012

    At the invitation of Dom Tomas de Aquino, prior of the Monastery of the Holy Cross of Nova Friburgo [located in the state of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil – Ed.], Bishop Williamson came to confer the sacrament of confirmation and give some lectures.

    I would like to clarify that this trip was organized completely independent of the SSPX. Indeed, according to the directives left by our founder Archbishop Lefebvre, only the Superior General, Bishop Fellay in this case, issues mandates to the auxiliary bishops to undertake a pastoral visit. This procedure has not been respected, which is a serious act against the virtue of obedience, but also an attack upon the most elementary demands of courtesy. In addition, the District Superior's agreement was not requested as required by the statutes of our Society. The harmonious collaboration that existed between the SSPX and the Monastery of the Holy Cross has been broken by this act of great gravity, so the organizers must take responsibility before God. Indeed, many faithful were deceived and attended the announced ceremonies and conferences believing that they had been organized by the SSPX.

    After reading the article of Fr. Tomas de Aquino, "Honor and Glory to Bishop Williamson", I firmly denounce the indirect accusations which were made suggesting that the SSPX would agree with Modernism and cease fighting in defense of Catholic Tradition.

    Such insinuations are gratuitous, false, hurtful and injurious to our Superior General and to the members of the SSPX. I cannot withstand them and remain silent. If Bishop Fellay rejected the outstretched hand of Rome on June 13, it was for doctrinal reasons. And it is because we reject the Modernist-influenced Vatican II which is the main cause of the ruin of the Church today and we want to continue saying this, it is also because we reject the Novus Ordo Missae that departs from Catholic doctrine both "entirely and specifically", that no practical agreement has been signed with Rome. This was the position of Archbishop Lefebvre yesterday and this is the position of Bishop Fellay today. The General Chapter last July confirmed this [position – Ed.]. Any other assertion is nothing more than a manipulation or lie. Any prophecy of a future practical agreement reveals an unhealthy imagination.

    In early December, Bishop de Galarreta will come to visit and confer the sacrament of Confirmation in Brazil and other countries in our district as our Superior General planned for many months.

    I invite the faithful of Catholic Tradition in Brazil not to pay attention to rumors, to continue to support their priests with their sacrifices, prayers, and generosity, and to beg God to send numerous and ardent vocations to defend and extend the reign of Christ the King under the noble banner of Catholic Tradition and the protection of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary. God bless you!

    Fr. Christian Bouchacourt
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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 05:56:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Fr. Bouchacourt
    Indeed, many faithful were deceived and attended the announced ceremonies and conferences believing that they had been organized by the SSPX.

    After reading the article of Fr. Tomas de Aquino, "Honor and Glory to Bishop Williamson", I firmly denounce the indirect accusations which were made suggesting that the SSPX would agree with Modernism and cease fighting in defense of Catholic Tradition.

    Such insinuations are gratuitous, false, hurtful and injurious to our Superior General and to the members of the SSPX. I cannot withstand them and remain silent.

    Fr. Christian Bouchacourt
    District Superior


    Well, I can't remain silent either!

    What a load of crap.

    The Faithful were there BECAUSE it was Bishop Williamson, who they know is a faithful prelate and successor to Archbishop Lefebvre in the fight for Tradition.

    Yes, the SSPX *did* submit a document to Rome that WAS acceptable to them. It's only thanks to Pope Benedict XVI sticking to HIS principles that a deal wasn't done a couple months ago.

    If we don't see some apologies real soon, it's looking more and more like this "change of heart" on Bishop Fellay's part is just more politics and stage acting.

    They have NOT ONE but TWO documents on the front page of SSPX.org condemning clerics (+Williamson, Fr. Chazal, Fr. Pfeiffer) who were RIGHT ALL ALONG about Rome. Furthermore, these documents, far from reserved, are quite outrageous in their insinuations and accusations against these holy clerics.

    If the newly "repentant SSPX" doesn't see the need to remove these outrages from their website, then there is no repentance. The whole thing is more posturing and politics.
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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 06:12:57 PM »
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  • Hmmmm  ...  Just what are they (Menzingen) up to?  Today's reports from the SSPX are very strange.  +Fellay admits to being deceived by Pope BXVI in front of seminarians and French priests in Econe; SSPX.org carries Fr. Couture's and Fr. Bouchacourt's letters of admonishment ... again, just what are they up to?  (Are their coffers dangerously low?  Do they feel the "heat" from CathInfo and IA? Or - is this simply another stage in preparing the faithful for their next move toward Rome?)

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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 06:18:49 PM »
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  • It seems to me that Bp. Fellay has been after Bp. Williamson for some time. There have been many rumors flying around inside the SSPX about Bp. Williamson being expelled sometime soon. Bp. Williamson was not deceived by Benedict XVI so it seems he has more discernment then Fellay does. So maybe Bp. Fellay should resign and let Bp. Williamson take over.


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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 06:25:03 PM »
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    Indeed, many faithful were deceived and attended the announced ceremonies and conferences believing that they had been organized by the SSPX.


    If you look at the photographs you will notice the faithful are all smiling and are delighted being amongst the Bishop.Hardly the expressions you would associate with  being "deceived".

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    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 06:41:18 PM »
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  • To keep Max and to expel Bishop Williamson would be a very serious mistake. With consequences.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 06:55:09 PM »
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  • The link below is to an English version of the article that is raising the warning about Bp. Fellay versus Bp. Williamson.

    English version:
    http://www.eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/09/bishop-williamson-will-be-expelled.html

    Original German version:
    http://www.kreuz.net/article.15846.html



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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 07:11:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: PaxAeternum
    It seems to me that Bp. Fellay has been after Bp. Williamson for some time. There have been many rumors flying around inside the SSPX about Bp. Williamson being expelled sometime soon. Bp. Williamson was not deceived by Benedict XVI so it seems he has more discernment then Fellay does. So maybe Bp. Fellay should resign and let Bp. Williamson take over.




    You've hit the nail on the head, PaxAeternum!

    Who wants to have a General who is "deceived" by the enemy's General?
    When you've got another high ranking officer who was NOT deceived, shouldn't
    he replace the lame duck?

    Very good question.






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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 07:13:18 PM »
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    If we don't see some apologies real soon, it's looking more and more like this "change of heart" on Bishop Fellay's part is just more politics and stage acting.

    They have NOT ONE but TWO documents on the front page of SSPX.org condemning clerics (+Williamson, Fr. Chazal, Fr. Pfeiffer) who were RIGHT ALL ALONG about Rome. Furthermore, these documents, far from reserved, are quite outrageous in their insinuations and accusations against these holy clerics.

    If the newly "repentant SSPX" doesn't see the need to remove these outrages from their website, then there is no repentance. The whole thing is more posturing and politics.

    It looks like the classic iron fist (condemnation of clerics) wrapped in a velvet glove ("change of heart") method of tyranny.

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    Bishop Williamson Expelled?
    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 08:51:18 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson is toast in terms of his future with the SSPX. This should come as a surprise to no one. Apparently the Society leadership thinks it can get along just fine without the "hardcore" types who have stood by the good English prelate. We shall see.  :popcorn:


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    « Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 09:43:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: finegan
    Bishop Williamson is toast in terms of his future with the SSPX. This should come as a surprise to no one. Apparently the Society leadership thinks it can get along just fine without the "hardcore" types who have stood by the good English prelate. We shall see.  :popcorn:



      Looks like the "Night of the Long Knives", where Bp. Fellay will eliminate his opposition and haul the SSPX away to join newChurch.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 09:49:41 PM »
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  • Fr. Bouchacort said


    "...only the Superior General, Bishop Fellay in this case, issues mandates to the auxiliary bishops to undertake a pastoral visit."

    Auxiliary bishops?  Just what does Bishop Fellay think He is.  He is sacramental bishop utterly without jurisdiction who heads up a Society of the Common Life without Vows.  Auxiliary to whom?  Bishop Fellay?  Nonsense.  And while we are quoting ABL, father, didn't his Grace say clearly that the head of his Society of the Common Life without Vows should not be one of the bishops?  Odd that he is so fundamentalist about the spirit of the Archbishop when it suits his agenda and so cavalier in ignoring it when it doesn't.  

    As many here are waare, I an no particular fan of the SSPX and even less a fan of Bishop Williamson.  However, it is increasingly apparent that Bishop Williamson  being expelled from the SSPX is just about the best thing that could happen...TO BISHOP WILLIAMSON.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2012, 03:09:34 AM »
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  • 1) Well, the good Bishop Williamson recently received a canonical admonition for disciplinary reasons from Menzingen. Didn't it start the same way with the other clerics who're now expelled (like Frs Chazal and probably J. Pfeiffer) ?

    2) And last week or so, an European SSPX district superior said to several priests after a meal this:
    "We have to split with Bishop Williamson now".
    (For Decades this superior works towards an agreement with Newrome, and officially since 2009 he's no friend with Bishop Williamson anymore.)

    Add to this that it's no secret that Fr N. Pfluger (the driving force behind Bp Fellay), Max Krah with his Jewish backers, and also Bp Fellay hate Bishop Williamson so much that since years they work hard "to get rid" of him.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 03:24:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    1) Well, the good Bishop Williamson recently received a canonical admonition for disciplinary reasons from Menzingen. Didn't it start the same way with the other clerics who're now expelled (like Frs Chazal and probably J. Pfeiffer) ?

    2) And last week or so, an European SSPX district superior said to several priests after a meal this:
    "We have to split with Bishop Williamson now".
    (For Decades this superior works towards an agreement with Newrome, and officially since 2009 he's no friend with Bishop Williamson anymore.)

    Add to this that it's no secret that Fr N. Pfluger (the driving force behind Bp Fellay), Max Krah with his Jewish backers, and also Bp Fellay hate Bishop Williamson so much that since years they work hard "to get rid" of him.


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