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Author Topic: +BISHOP WILLIAMSON DEMANDED BELIEF IN FALSE NOVUS ORDO MIRACLES FOR HOLY OILS  (Read 435 times)

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Offline ArmandLouis

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Vive les bons prêtres !

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Only a cult based on the hatred of a good bishop would choose to release another pack of lies on the first anniversary of Bishop Williamson's death. This hatred is the main doctrine and anyone who does not agree with it is 'excommunicated' by the cult. Have you ever come across anything so demonic? Perhaps Pablo the demoniac is still advising them. 

What young man in his right man would join a 'seminary' with no prospect of a bishop to ordain him? Any bets as to when Fr Hewko will get himself consecrated? 


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Shame on whomever comes to stain Bp. Williamson's memory.

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The new Mass is valid and I think the late Bishop was correct here. Of course there have been Eucharistic miracles at the New Mass.

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Our chapel received the Holy Oils from or through His Excellency +W for years without any conditions. He is remembered daily at Mass. May God reward his charity.

Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen
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The new Mass is valid and I think the late Bishop was correct here. Of course there have been Eucharistic miracles at the New Mass.
"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.  25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand."
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"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. 25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand."
There were things I didn’t agree with Bp Williamson about but I think it’s very bad form to start a criticism thread about him a year after his death. I’m not even resistance but I met him when he was still with SSPX. I feel he had a good heart. May God rest his soul.

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Fr. Hewko's letter is pretty balanced actually and this period is when I started bailing on the Resistance.  That being said, may +Williamson rest in peace.


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So here is Fr. Hewko actually saying something heretical:



Now, we could take it in an aspirational way...

But, sadly he does believe that, "Holy Mother Church has left Tradition."



This is an actual dogma that is being explicitly denied.

As stated, it is the exact OPPOSITE of the dogma.

I realize many R&R hold the same.

I don't know how you can claim to be R&R and hold otherwise...

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Well, Bp. Williamson was right and the Trumpet guy was wrong, as usual.



Here is St. Thomas Aquinas on the matter: https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3178.htm - Can the wicked work miracles? Aquinas answers YES, but not in order to affirm the false teaching of the Novus Ordo, but merely to affirm a theological truth (in this case the Real Presence of the Eucharist).



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Hence Jerome commenting on Matthew 7:22, "Have not we prophesied in Thy name?" says: "Sometimes prophesying, the working of miracles, and the casting out of demons are accorded not to the merit of those who do these things, but to the invoking of Christ's name, that men may honor God, by invoking Whom such great miracles are wrought." - ST II-II Q 178 A2

This is what Bp. Williamson talked about in the E-Mail. Bp. Williamson did not require belief in any specific miracle, however, he required the belief in the POSSIBILITY that there MAY be miracles happening, which is perfectly Thomistic teaching. What Fr. Hewko (and especially Greg Taylor) tried to do is to force Bp. Williamson to accept their own non-Thomistic error (that there isn't even the possibility of a Novus Ordo miracle). There's a reason Fr. Hewko is a priest and Williamson was a bishop.



It is quite simple to understand: If the Novus Ordo miracles are true, then it is not to confirm the greatness of the Novus Ordo or that we should go there on Sunday (licitness), it is only to remind lapsed / weak Catholics about the Real Presence, i.e. that the Eucharist isn't just a sign. It's only a wake-up call to lukewarm Novus Ordo Catholics, nothing else. But according to the anti-Thomistic theology of the True Resistance, God cannot ever work such miracles or signs, because Greg Taylor in his infinite wisdom says so.

Any supposed Novus Ordo miracles - even though many are doubtful "miracles" - are never an affirmation even of the validity of the NO nor of its licitness (the "True" "Resistance" also doesn't get the difference between valid and licit, but that's another story). That is why the Novus Ordo Church tries to supress and hide these miracles (even though many "miracles" probably aren't even true).
But obviously, such distinctions are too high for the big-brains of the "True" Resistance. We live in 2026, where the only measure of correctness in theology is measured by the subscriber count of their YouTube channel and what the "online reach" is in condemning the "errors" of Bp. Williamson.



Second, there were things happening before that E-Mail that aren't online. Fr. Hewko and Bp. Williamson were close to reconciling (as evidenced by the fact that BpW did send them Holy Oils), but Greg Taylor, of course, had to sperg out in 2021 over some random YouTube interview of Bp. Williamson - and then turn Fr. Hewko into a rabid anti-Williamsonist, just to justify his personal autism and theological errors. That's what the "judging by your past behaviour" line talks about. Of course the "True" "Resistance" doesn't care about presenting that side, that would be too honest for them.

It's extremely, EXTREMELY low, uncharitable and dare I say diabolical to post this on the anniversary of Bp. Williamsons death. It truly shows the character of this "True" Resistance cult, they don't care about what is theologically correct, they just want to be self-righteous and even then they fall flat on their face because they don't know their theology. They are nothing but proud schismatics who are so stuck up in their own errors that, even when I presented them with the rebuttal of St. Aquinas last October, they simply ignore Aquinas' teaching, because these schismatic laymen and bishopless priests know their theology better that St. Aquinas.



Get your nonsensical drivel out of here, Greg Taylor or whoever of his cult is posting this. You are a layman, you are a nobody with a YouTube channel. Nobody called you to be a teacher, nobody gave you authority, nobody called for Fr. Hewko to "fraternally correct" his own bishop beyond his death, especially not when the Bishop is merely upholding the teaching of St. Aquinas.



I petition to ban these people off the forum, man they're annoying with their stupid cult. They ride off of the fame of Bp. Williamson and then stick their own theological errors on top, thinking they're some heroic fighters for the Faith.



Even the title of the YouTube video is a literal lie: BpW didn't demand belief for some miracles, he demanded belief for the possibility of any potential miracles. I don't know, I thought about still listing Fr. Hewko on my dubia.cc map, but after this, it's just too low. "Fraternally correcting" a bishop on the anniversary of his death. If Fr. Hewko doesn't realize what schismatics he's gotten himself involved in (not the first time, with Fr. Pfeiffer and that cult), then I cannot tell people to go to his Masses, I'm sorry.

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It's extremely, EXTREMELY low, uncharitable and dare I say diabolical to post this on the anniversary of Bp. Williamsons death. It truly shows the character of this "True" Resistance cult, they don't care about what is theologically correct, they just want to be self-righteous and even then they fall flat on their face because they don't know their theology. They are nothing but proud schismatics who are so stuck up in their own errors that, even when I presented them with the rebuttal of St. Aquinas last October, they simply ignore Aquinas' teaching, because these schismatic laymen and bishopless priests know their theology better that St. Aquinas.

Get your nonsensical drivel out of here, Greg Taylor or whoever of his cult is posting this. You are a layman, you are a nobody with a YouTube channel. Nobody called you to be a teacher, nobody gave you authority, nobody called for Fr. Hewko to "fraternally correct" his own bishop beyond his death, especially not when the Bishop is merely upholding the teaching of St. Aquinas.

I agree.

The Hewkonian cultist is banned from the forum.

I'll be honest: Hewkonians don't have a long shelf life on CathInfo. It's a bad sign to follow such a bad priest. I'm all for allowing the widest possible group of Traditional Catholics on the forum -- "in dubiis libertas". I allow maximum leeway and benefit of the doubt on ANYTHING touching on the Crisis in the Church.

...but certain types (Dimondites, Hewkonians, Pfeifferites) tend to be so sectarian, they have such a tendency to cut off all who don't agree with them, they don't play well with others. And they are the most toxic.

That's just how it is.
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I must say repeat and underline though:


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It's extremely, EXTREMELY low, uncharitable and dare I say diabolical to post this on the anniversary of Bp. Williamsons death. It truly shows the character of this "True" Resistance cult, they don't care about what is theologically correct, they just want to be self-righteous and even then they fall flat on their face because they don't know their theology.


How diabolical can you get, to post anti-Bishop Williamson material on the ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH. That is insane.

It wasn't just ArmandLouis (who I banned) either -- the Un-Catholic Trumpet posted the video 10 hours ago too. 

I'm kind of glad they did this -- hopefully it will open the eyes of anyone on-the-fence, any impartial third parties or readers new to the issue. 
Ask yourself: who has the spirit of Christ? Does this tree bear good fruit, or evil fruit?
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