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Offline John XYZ

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Bishop Williamson at Fatima
« on: October 29, 2017, 07:07:05 PM »
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    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 07:16:39 PM »
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    • When were these photos were taken?
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    Offline John XYZ

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 07:38:42 AM »
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    Offline JPaul

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 10:06:50 AM »
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    • What is the meaning of this?

    Four smiling men in front of a cathedral which now under a false religion?

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    Offline klasG4e

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 02:49:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on October 30, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
    What is the meaning of this?

    Four smiling men in front of a cathedral which now under a false religion?
    "Technical point"  -- They are actually standing in front of one of the two basilicas, Santuário de Nossa Senhora de Fátima, of the
    Roman Catholic Diocese of Leiria–Fátima.  The actual cathedral of said diocese is
    Sé Catedral de Nossa Senhora da Conceição, dedicated to Our lady of the Cocnception in Leiria.
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    Offline John XYZ

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 03:18:40 PM »
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    When will Catholics understand the value of the bishops who wish, with all their hearts, to remain faithful to the true Faith ?


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    Offline John XYZ

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 03:20:16 PM »
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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 07:45:51 AM »
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    • God bless our good and holy Bishops! (I wish I were there, too!)
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    Offline JPaul

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 08:46:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: John XYZ on October 30, 2017, 03:18:40 PM
    To JPaul

    When will Catholics understand the value of the bishops who wish, with all their hearts, to remain faithful to the true Faith ?
    We can have no idea what are the true desires of any man's heart.  
    That being said, posturing in favor of an apparition, as so many have done, may make some of the faithful feel good and pious, and may be a well intentioned symbolic gesture, but holding a vigil in front of the Vatican and denouncing the present and past heresies of its occupants would actually be a concrete act against the revolution. Even here in Fatima the desecration of the once holy buildings by the Novus Ordo false religion could be protested and denounced, but? It does not give a Catholic much reason to smile, does it?
    So many have used and abused the Fatima warnings in our times that it has become like a trip to the "western wall".  Almost all of the conciliar popes have stood nearby smiling as well so, what does it mean?
    The SSPX has tours with the statuary of Fatima. It too is piously symbolic in a way, but also, its good for business and raising money.

    Rome is just over the hill there, its time to carry forth with the commitment of resisting and defending the Faith against its enemies.

    Otherwise, what does it mean, and what is it for?
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on October 31, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
    We can have no idea what are the true desires of any man's heart.  
    That being said, posturing in favor of an apparition, as so many have done, may make some of the faithful feel good and pious, and may be a well intentioned symbolic gesture, but holding a vigil in front of the Vatican and denouncing the present and past heresies of its occupants would actually be a concrete act against the revolution. Even here in Fatima the desecration of the once holy buildings by the Novus Ordo false religion could be protested and denounced, but? It does not give a Catholic much reason to smile, does it?
    So many have used and abused the Fatima warnings in our times that it has become like a trip to the "western wall".  Almost all of the conciliar popes have stood nearby smiling as well so, what does it mean?
    The SSPX has tours with the statuary of Fatima. It too is piously symbolic in a way, but also, its good for business and raising money.

    Rome is just over the hill there, its time to carry forth with the commitment of resisting and defending the Faith against its enemies.

    Otherwise, what does it mean, and what is it for?

    I think you raise some important ideas above. But how would a trad carry forth with the commitment of resisting and defending the faith? I ask this in all seriousness. 

    You mention holding a vigil in front of the Vatican and denouncing the present and past heresies of its occupants,  which I've often thought would be a good idea - except that the Swiss Guards would likely put a stop to that. But just trying to do SOMETHING would be better than nothing. 

    I think you're right, though. For the four bishops to visit Fatima - it doesn't really do much in the way of fighting for the Faith, though maybe I've missed something.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 11:21:00 AM »
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    • Fatima is exactly the place where the four bishops should have posed for photos.  Fatima should be our focus today, as well.  It's message has still not been fulfilled in its entirety.  Even Benedict XVI admitted this, albeit reluctantly.  He had read the 3rd Secret, and knew full well that the "Message of Fatima," which he helped disseminate in 2000, under the auspices of Cdl. Sodano, with full approval from JP2, was essentially a thinly disguised fabrication.
    For those CI folks who are semi-persuaded that Fatima is passe and outdated. I add a word of caution.  Fatima is still very much at the center of the spiritual universe.  All spiritual favors transmitted  from Our Lord, and received by us, are done so through the appointed Mediatrix of all graces.  Jesus Christ has so willed and established that arrangement.
    Mary has been given many names down through the centuries.  In these last days She is most prominently "Our Lady of Fatima." Take heed to Her and embrace Her.
    According to Father Agustin Fuentes, in an interview with Sr. Lucy in 1957, we learn that there are just "two last remedies" for mankind:  1)Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and, 2) The Rosary, which has been given a "new efficacy."  Should some Catholics treat these two last remedies dismissively, they can become guilty of "sin against the Holy Spirit."  Not my words, but the words of Our Lady, as told to Lucy and conveyed to the faithful through Fr. Fuentes.

    I include below a summary of the testimony above.  It is a page taken from Mark Fellow's book, Fatima in Twilight, pg/ 282.





    "According to Father Fuentes, Lucy said the Blessed Virgin told her and Francisco and Jacinta that "God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies, which signify that there will be no others." Lucy told Fuentes that God had offered the world the Blessed Virgin Mary as "the last means of salvation," and declared: "If you despise and repulse this ultimate means we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven because we will have committed a sin. which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin consists of openly rejecting with full knowledge and consent the salvation which He offers. Let us remember that Jesus Christ is a very good Son and that He does not permit that we offend and despise His Most Holy Mother.
    "The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary... There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary...we will save ourselves... console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls...
    "Finally, devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Our Most Holy Mother, consists in considering Her as the seat of mercy, of goodness, and of pardon and the certain door by which we are to enter Heaven.

     


     
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    Offline St Ignatius

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 11:25:00 AM »
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    • I've no recollection of any such criticism of say The March for Life, thousands of clergy and faithful participate annually in front of the Nation's capital building...

    I'm of the opinion that it's futile, faithful participating in a event which is based solely on the moto of it's foundress... "to provide all Americans with a place to testify to the beauty of life and the dignity of each human person"

    The message of Fatima is only growing of a greater importance by the day. Hardly worthy of criticism, IMO. 
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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 03:19:26 PM »
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    • JPaul said : ''We can have no idea what are the true desires of any man's heart.''


    Dear friend, there is no basis to doubt the sincerity of Bishop Williamson. The good bishop said once in one of his sermon : ''The modern world wants us to abandon God, but we must refuse. If the alternative is martyrdom, so be it '' Honestly, I can't doubt of the sincerity of a bishop who have a so noble and steadfast heart.
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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 03:58:09 PM »
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    • In what chapel are they kneeling in the top couple of photos?
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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 04:10:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on October 31, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
    posturing in favor of an apparition, as so many have done, may make some of the faithful feel good and pious, and may be a well intentioned symbolic gesture, but holding a vigil in front of the Vatican and denouncing the present and past heresies of its occupants would actually be a concrete act against the revolution. 
    To be fair, I've never heard of a sede bishop "holding a vigil in front of the Vatican and denouncing the present and past heresies of its occupants ". The sede bishops do however denounce "the present and past heresies of its occupants" as heresies". The Resistance bishops have their R&R position, which does not allow them the freedom to say what they really believe in their hearts.
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