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Author Topic: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine  (Read 7108 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2020, 07:07:57 PM »
Then, the remnants of satan's sacrifice are injected into the Goyim.

The rabbinic purpose is to impart a malefice or curse on the Gentiles.  

I would bet that this is in fact the case.

They absolutely CAN develop vaccines without using fetal cells, so one must ask on why they insist upon this method.  It's exactly as you suggest.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2020, 07:10:37 PM »
It's in conflating the criminal acts that you are all misapplying "remote material."

There are two grave sins here ...

1) the abortion itself, the murder of the innocent baby

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2) the use of the remnants of that abortion to make vaccines


#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING even if #1 is REMOTE and PAST, and it's also a grave evil to participate in #2 even if one did not participate in #1.

If I buy a stolen vehicle, then I am participating in a PRESENT and ONGOING injustice, and not just the REMOTE and PAST actual theft of the vehicle.

#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING as the vax companies are AS WE SPEAK rolling out these vaccines.


Re: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2020, 07:20:20 PM »
It's in conflating the criminal acts that you are all misapplying "remote material."

There are two grave sins here ...

1) the abortion itself, the murder of the innocent baby

AND

2) the use of the remnants of that abortion to make vaccines


#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING even if #1 is REMOTE and PAST, and it's also a grave evil to participate in #2 even if one did not participate in #1.

If I buy a stolen vehicle, then I am participating in a PRESENT and ONGOING injustice, and not just the REMOTE and PAST actual theft of the vehicle.

#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING as the vax companies are AS WE SPEAK rolling out these vaccines.

Yup.

An excellent and overlooked point!

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Re: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2020, 07:51:54 PM »
It's in conflating the criminal acts that you are all misapplying "remote material."

There are two grave sins here ...

1) the abortion itself, the murder of the innocent baby

AND

2) the use of the remnants of that abortion to make vaccines


#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING even if #1 is REMOTE and PAST, and it's also a grave evil to participate in #2 even if one did not participate in #1.

If I buy a stolen vehicle, then I am participating in a PRESENT and ONGOING injustice, and not just the REMOTE and PAST actual theft of the vehicle.

#2 is PRESENT and ONGOING as the vax companies are AS WE SPEAK rolling out these vaccines.
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This is interesting. Now we seem to be getting somewhere. Do I understand correctly from this that you admit that someone receiving a vaccine is not connected with #1?
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If #2 is the only concern here, then let us focus on that.
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First of all, I don't recall Schneider, Burke, Vigano or others objecting to the vaccine on the grounds of #2. Actually, I believe you are the only person I have seen making this point at all. Not that that's necessarily significant, but I thought I would point that out. Everyone else seems to be focusing more on #1 that you mention, though you seem to let #1 go for the person getting the injection.
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If you are making the claim that it is a grave evil to commit #2 or even participate in it to the extent of receiving a vaccine, then can you cite a theologian on this? Especially since the covid vaccine does not actual contain any human cells?
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I also want to repeat my question as to what authorities you are relying on for your position on this question as a whole, as well as the arguments you are making here in general. For my part, I have cited Fr. Heribert Jone and quoted from him and also Fr. Davis, who were both pre-Vatican 2 moral theologians whom I consider to be authorities on moral theology and whose teachings I accept implicitly.

Re: Bishop Williamson - 3rd Sun Advent - Catholics CANNOT take vaccine
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2020, 08:05:29 PM »
Don't we all know about Jone? Incredulous is right. I think we should welcome poche back.