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Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2018, 01:30:32 PM »
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  • A few words of explanation.
    Bishop Williamson is the most detested churchman in the hierarchy. The secular world hates him,
    the novus ordo despises him, the SSPX booted him out, many trad organs and trad sites will not
    even mention his name, etc. The greatest force of opposition has had him targeted for nearly
    the last ten years as he has been the only Catholic Bishop to speak openly about their plots and
    lies and plans. If he goes to visit a small chapel, he can speak in the basement or attached hall.
    If he is going to speak to a large crowd, a large venue must be booked. On more than one
    occasion, the opposition has managed to get the venue to cancel the booking when they reveal the
    "evil" nature of the man. On at least one occasion, more than one venue in the same area
    cancelled a booking. Because of this, advance publicity is scarce; locals are notified and word of
    mouth spreads the news so the event can take place. At this weekend's celebration, about
    75% of attendees were locals.
    His enemies managed to bar him from Australia where he was scheduled to do confirmations
    and visit the faithful. How much easier for them to keep him from speaking at the local Comfy
    Featherbed Hotel!
    The good Bishop is 78 years old. He still travels and teaches and offers the sacraments to the
    Catholic faithful. And he continues to speak the Truth despite his powerful enemies. And that is
    why this 30th Anniversary of his Consecration was celebrated, if not widely advertised.
    The building of brick/mortar chapels would solve this problem: Nobody would be able to get a venue cancelled in such places.  This would also remove reluctance among the various chapel coordinators to have their homes (i.e., chapels) broadcast over the internet as targets for troublemakers.  And obviously, as an edifice (i.e., consecrated space) is essential to render proper glory to God, newbies or the less principled would not be deterred from attending Resistance venues because they are "weirded out" by attending Masses located in private homes.  Therefore, I suggest this goal could be a logical first step.  But which locales have sufficient numbers/finances for this?  And even if they did/could build something, there are no priests to staff such chapels.  If we build it, will they come?  Not so sure.  Perhaps Bishop Fellay will help us out in that regard next week.  Meanwhile, perhaps a "via media" would be for the the bishops, priests, and chapel coordinators to build a master email notification list.  This would have the benefit of broadening notifications to people outside our own immediate chapels, without drawing the unwanted internet scrutiny?  It does not remove all danger of indiscretion or treason of course, but since when was 100% security a prerequisite for the apostolate?
    In any case, the response quoted above might provide a reasonable response for the secrecy surrounding Bishop Williamson's travellings, but what about the other three bishops?  Surely they are not as despised and targeted as Bishop Williamson, but unless I happened to have Bishop Zendejas' personal email address or phone number, or happened to know someone at the Resistance chapel in St. Mary's, how would I ever know where or when Mass was?
    An email recently came from Santa Cruz which contained the names/email addresses of approximately 250 persons, to notify them about a building project in Brazil.  I propose the American Resistance compile a similar list of known collaborators in the USA for notification purposes.  Santa Cruz demonstrates such a task is simple, and even though there were many names of known critics and enemies of the bishops on that list, still, to date there have been no deleterious consequences despite the fact.  I think this would be a reasonable interim solution, until such a time as we can build brick/mortar chapels, and be done with these covert ops.
    This is just my idea; there may be problems and issues which I have not considered; I am just brainstorming for ways to improve this bad situation.  I suppose if you live near a chapel which has frequent/regular Masses, you think this is no problem at all (i.e., You are always in the know).  But if 25% of this event's attendance (a not so insignificant percentage) came from out of state, it shows some people would travel when and if able (and of course, there are business trips, vacations, etc. where it would be nice for people to be aware of Mass venues wherever life may take them).  
    I reiterate: This post should in no way be seen as any kind of criticism of the bishops.  It is only a brainstorm trying to help the Resistance grow, and improve a less than ideal situation.  The bishops are our leaders, and what they say goes.  Would they be opposed to these ideas?

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #16 on: July 08, 2018, 03:12:40 PM »
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  • Bishop Thommas Aquinas was there so I'm sure somebody got plenty of photos with so many bishops together.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #17 on: July 08, 2018, 04:02:41 PM »
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  • A few words of explanation.
    Bishop Williamson is the most detested churchman in the hierarchy. The secular world hates him,
    the novus ordo despises him, the SSPX booted him out, many trad organs and trad sites will not
    even mention his name, etc. The greatest force of opposition has had him targeted for nearly
    the last ten years as he has been the only Catholic Bishop to speak openly about their plots and
    lies and plans. If he goes to visit a small chapel, he can speak in the basement or attached hall.
    If he is going to speak to a large crowd, a large venue must be booked. On more than one
    occasion, the opposition has managed to get the venue to cancel the booking when they reveal the
    "evil" nature of the man. On at least one occasion, more than one venue in the same area
    cancelled a booking. Because of this, advance publicity is scarce; locals are notified and word of
    mouth spreads the news so the event can take place. At this weekend's celebration, about
    75% of attendees were locals.
    His enemies managed to bar him from Australia where he was scheduled to do confirmations
    and visit the faithful. How much easier for them to keep him from speaking at the local Comfy
    Featherbed Hotel!
    The good Bishop is 78 years old. He still travels and teaches and offers the sacraments to the
    Catholic faithful. And he continues to speak the Truth despite his powerful enemies. And that is
    why this 30th Anniversary of his Consecration was celebrated, if not widely advertised.

    His visits in other parts of the world are often advertised in advance. If anything, he has the least trouble in the U.S.

    Appreciate your zeal in promoting him, but this is not an attack on the Bishop himself in anyway. There is more going on here than you might appreciate. If you read back over the previous posts, you can see that.

    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #18 on: July 08, 2018, 06:37:10 PM »
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  • I think this is mostly a problem for people who attend Mass with the SSPX or some other group (or independent) but also have an interest in attending a Bp Williamson conference. While this is not necessarily unreasonable, you should come to terms with how these things play out and make the effort to go to a Resistance Mass every now and then so that you'll know when the bishop is in your area.

    I doubt you're going to have much luck in changing the way the bishops operate by complaining about it here.

    I'm quite thankful that Bp Williamson posts most of his public appearances on YouTube so that I don't have to travel across the country to hear his sermons.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #19 on: July 08, 2018, 06:56:26 PM »
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  • Appreciate your zeal in promoting him, but this is not an attack on the Bishop himself in anyway. There is more going on here than you might appreciate. If you read back over the previous posts, you can see that.
    I'm happy for you that you came to the realization that the " The Resistance is not a cult after all."  But I'd like to point out that the gentleman you are addressing has forgotten more about +W and the goings on around him than you or I will ever know. This situation is nearing a decade old, so your assumption that DAW is just a mere zealous promoter of the good bishop, is a far cry from reality. 

    A few posts in a single thread doesn't even amount to a drop in the bucket of the whole scenario... you need to read back a decade, or better yet, 3+ decades of the bishop's work as I have, to get a better grasp of the unfortunate situation that we find ourselves in today. 

    I don't intend this as a jab, I just believe it needed to be pointed out. I've been living in this mess for nearly 50 years, and I thank God for +W because he has been a guiding light for a good chunk of my journey. 


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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #20 on: July 08, 2018, 09:38:32 PM »
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  • I think this is mostly a problem for people who attend Mass with the SSPX or some other group (or independent) but also have an interest in attending a Bp Williamson conference. While this is not necessarily unreasonable, you should come to terms with how these things play out and make the effort to go to a Resistance Mass every now and then so that you'll know when the bishop is in your area.

    I doubt you're going to have much luck in changing the way the bishops operate by complaining about it here.

    I'm quite thankful that Bp Williamson posts most of his public appearances on YouTube so that I don't have to travel across the country to hear his sermons.
    There isn't even a website or an up to date list of Non Pfefferite Resistance Masses on the internet.  All the lists are years old, how is an average catholic even supposed to find a resistance mass.  

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #21 on: July 08, 2018, 09:49:28 PM »
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  • There isn't even a website or an up to date list of Non Pfefferite Resistance Masses on the internet.  All the lists are years old, how is an average catholic even supposed to find a resistance mass.  
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/resistance-directory-47660/
    There's a link in the first post which likely includes all of the information given in the thread plus much more.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #22 on: July 09, 2018, 12:06:02 AM »
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  • You make the point.  If you are not local or privy to a 'bulletin' you are not invited.  Isn't this a resistance website making all kinds of announcements from everything under the sun to some really outlandish stuff?  And there cannot be a simple announcement to help these priests and bishops?  Even us benefactors are in the dark where they go.  Secret emails is for the timid.  Gives doubt what the intentions are from those people who know and want to hide the joy of their visit.  Yet, this thread asks if anyone is going to the party of Bishop Williamson tomorrow, which I would like to, but how could we, there is no foreknowledge but a day.  Still there is no address for the event center even when requested.  These bishops and priests are more than a quaint passing.  Aren't they?  Why are we having these same discussions EVERY TIME finding out either days before, or most often, after the fact.  How are we to be united if this continues with realistically secret masses and events?  This pfeiffer excuse is for the birds.  Where is the faith?  Where is the charity to help your neighbor?  I don't want to think this is a cult.  But this is sure weird.
    I think the problem is that fr. Pfeiffer et al show up unannounced and make people uncomfortable.  Then he announces he has a new mass center...  he has happened frequently.
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    But i am with you...  if we are Catholic what are we worried about?  
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    I understand b. Williamson dilemma, though.  But what about the other bishops?


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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #23 on: July 09, 2018, 02:57:36 AM »
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  • His visits in other parts of the world are often advertised in advance. If anything, he has the least trouble in the U.S.

    Appreciate your zeal in promoting him, but this is not an attack on the Bishop himself in anyway. There is more going on here than you might appreciate. If you read back over the previous posts, you can see that.
    Yes. And this is from Wikipedia:
    Williamson was born in Buckinghamshire, England,[9] the middle son of a Marks and Spencers buyer and his wealthy American wife.[10]
    If his mother was American, then he either holds, or is entitled to(dual)  US citizenship and nobody can do a darned thing to him the in US.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #24 on: July 09, 2018, 06:16:46 AM »
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  • The building of brick/mortar chapels would solve this problem: Nobody would be able to get a venue cancelled in such places.  This would also remove reluctance among the various chapel coordinators to have their homes (i.e., chapels) broadcast over the internet as targets for troublemakers.  And obviously, as an edifice (i.e., consecrated space) is essential to render proper glory to God, newbies or the less principled would not be deterred from attending Resistance venues because they are "weirded out" by attending Masses located in private homes.  Therefore, I suggest this goal could be a logical first step.  But which locales have sufficient numbers/finances for this?  And even if they did/could build something, there are no priests to staff such chapels.  If we build it, will they come?  Not so sure.  Perhaps Bishop Fellay will help us out in that regard next week.  Meanwhile, perhaps a "via media" would be for the the bishops, priests, and chapel coordinators to build a master email notification list.  This would have the benefit of broadening notifications to people outside our own immediate chapels, without drawing the unwanted internet scrutiny?  It does not remove all danger of indiscretion or treason of course, but since when was 100% security a prerequisite for the apostolate?
    In any case, the response quoted above might provide a reasonable response for the secrecy surrounding Bishop Williamson's travellings, but what about the other three bishops?  Surely they are not as despised and targeted as Bishop Williamson, but unless I happened to have Bishop Zendejas' personal email address or phone number, or happened to know someone at the Resistance chapel in St. Mary's, how would I ever know where or when Mass was?
    An email recently came from Santa Cruz which contained the names/email addresses of approximately 250 persons, to notify them about a building project in Brazil.  I propose the American Resistance compile a similar list of known collaborators in the USA for notification purposes.  Santa Cruz demonstrates such a task is simple, and even though there were many names of known critics and enemies of the bishops on that list, still, to date there have been no deleterious consequences despite the fact.  I think this would be a reasonable interim solution, until such a time as we can build brick/mortar chapels, and be done with these covert ops.
    This is just my idea; there may be problems and issues which I have not considered; I am just brainstorming for ways to improve this bad situation.  I suppose if you live near a chapel which has frequent/regular Masses, you think this is no problem at all (i.e., You are always in the know).  But if 25% of this event's attendance (a not so insignificant percentage) came from out of state, it shows some people would travel when and if able (and of course, there are business trips, vacations, etc. where it would be nice for people to be aware of Mass venues wherever life may take them).  
    I reiterate: This post should in no way be seen as any kind of criticism of the bishops.  It is only a brainstorm trying to help the Resistance grow, and improve a less than ideal situation.  The bishops are our leaders, and what they say goes.  Would they be opposed to these ideas?
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    This is interesting, however, I'm sure +W is much more aware of the numerous details of the history of TLM Mass centers in America.
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    For example, are you familiar with Fr. Hector Bolduc and how he assisted acquiring vast amounts of real estate for ABL in the USA?
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    +W was welcome in Burbank, CA, in 1997 as I recall, for Confirmations, as was +TdM a few years later. Those were at the private chapel run by Fr. Joseph Melito (RIP).  In subsequent years, however, +TdM came to the Arcadia SSPX Church (which originally had belonged to Fr. Donahue, who was BTW very unkind to Fr. Frederick Schell and all those who assisted at his Masses -- this is a sordid past we have endured in Los Angeles). 
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    Once a property is secured, many forces come out of the woodwork to confiscate it, and this has happened again and again all over the country. Fr. Paul Wickens' chapel comes to mind, St. Anthony's as I recall.
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    The SSPX has been especially culpable in this intrigue for they have consistently refused to supply a Society priest to help out saying Mass in a private chapel where their priest has passed away or is sick, unless the owners agree to sign over ownership of the chapel to the SSPX first, and THEN they'll send a priest! It is one of their most well-known trademark features.
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    Fr. Melito somehow got around this problem when he was sick or out of town, but he did not have a real chapel owned by the Catholics, but the building was co-owned by Mike Arpaia, an electrical contractor, whose business had been operating next door. Mike had Fr. Shell over to his own house in Granada Hills most mornings for daily Mass, when Fr. Schell lived nearby. But Mike's assets were also shared by his family and when Mike died, Fr. Melito was summarily booted out by the surviving owners who had no regard for the TLM or the faithful who attended there. Fr. Melito had to go offer Mass in a Protestant church building nearby, which he somehow got permission to use, perhaps having to pay rent. When he passed away, his flock was scattered, some going to Fr. Schell's Mass locations, now operated by OLHC in Garden Grove (Msgr. Perez - who had also been an associate of Fr. Melito), the Northridge St. Patrick Mission being the closest venue. Others went to CMRI in Newhall, Fr. Dominic Radecki, still others went to Arcadia (SSPX), where they have not had the most warm welcome. Now an FSSP chapel has opened in San Fernando (so-called moved from West Hollywood, a move which is right in between Arcadia, Northridge and Newhall, but closest to Northridge), where a whole new set of tensions emerge since their pattern nationwide has been to interfere with TLM communities by setting up Mass so as to compete with independent chapels, effectively stealing away the faithful, by claiming to be "authentic" or "approved by the local bishop," since their status is under "the Indult." So what's going to become of those Catholics is anyone's guess.
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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #25 on: July 09, 2018, 06:51:44 AM »
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  • His visits in other parts of the world are often advertised in advance. If anything, he has the least trouble in the U.S.

    Appreciate your zeal in promoting him, but this is not an attack on the Bishop himself in anyway. There is more going on here than you might appreciate. If you read back over the previous posts, you can see that.
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    Dr. White provided sufficient caution above to imply that perhaps + W asked for a higher degree of secrecy in this instance, for whatever reason. Perhaps, for example, he was given to know that a particular person or two of means was looking for the chance to disrupt his anniversary. There are many possibilities. +W has had to learn the hard way that his enemies are not averse to unusual degrees of intrigue in order to interfere with his plans or cause him to suffer. Our Lord said, be wise as serpents and simple as doves.
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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #26 on: July 09, 2018, 09:44:41 AM »
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    Dr. White provided sufficient caution above to imply that perhaps + W asked for a higher degree of secrecy in this instance, for whatever reason. Perhaps, for example, he was given to know that a particular person or two of means was looking for the chance to disrupt his anniversary. There are many possibilities. +W has had to learn the hard way that his enemies are not averse to unusual degrees of intrigue in order to interfere with his plans or cause him to suffer. Our Lord said, be wise as serpents and simple as doves.

    He was speaking generally.

    If there was something specific to this event, he would have simply said "there is a reason to believe X... on this particular occasion..." etc. etc.

    Even if what you say is true, it would be a lot more plausible, if this were not part of an overall pattern, as has been spoken about by others here.
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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #27 on: July 10, 2018, 11:00:26 AM »
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  • Great photos!


    If you were told not to, does it not strike you as objectively being at least odd?
    My goodness. Would you please have patience for the photos.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #28 on: July 10, 2018, 11:24:47 AM »
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  • Considering that some had to travel long distances to get there, maybe a little patience for pictures wouldn’t be out of place considering...
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson 30 years party - Photos
    « Reply #29 on: July 10, 2018, 02:20:03 PM »
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  • Fr. Chazal didn't have any copies of his book with him. So much for playing the snake oil salesman hawking his wares all over the country for filthy lucre. Such negativity, uncharitableness, and rash judgments of some people -- even against ordained ministers of God -- disgusts me!

    What corner of Hell came up with that little gem, anyhow?

    Fr. Chazal actually asked me for 1 or more of the copies I brought with me -- I brought my last 5 with me -- but I had already promised them to Bp Zendejas (he planned to give them as gifts to the other bishops).

    I turned down Fr. Chazal when he asked me for a copy of his own book. I had to laugh because the situation was a bit funny. I think he understood though. Bp Zendejas comes first.
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