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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2019, 09:08:03 AM »
Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 03, 2019, 09:16:51 PM
The way he said that he thinks the pope is the pope because he “looks as if he is occupying the office of Peter” and that it is “sifficient enough” is a terrible reason IMO to be a sedeplenist. There is no theology whatsoever involved in that.

You are correct that this is not in fact sedeplenism (I call it sede-doubtism).  If you are a sedeplenist in the strict sense, there can be no doubt whatsoever, but only 100% certainty of faith, since papal legitimacy is a dogmatic fact.
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Offline homeschoolmom

Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2019, 10:25:16 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 04, 2019, 08:22:45 AM
Correct.  +Williamson is a sede-doubtist like myself.

Most R&R don't like to hear this, but +Williamson is correct when he asserts that this was +Lefebvre's position as well.

http://www.fathercekada.com/2012/09/04/pro-sedevacantism-quotes-from-abp-lefebvre/

Strange that many R & R don't like to hear that. You would think it the natural default position. 
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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2019, 11:02:02 AM »
Quote from: homeschoolmom on June 04, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
Strange that many R & R don't like to hear that. You would think it the natural default position.
It’s true that there’s many who try to make out the conciliar popes as dogmatic fact and try to use Archbishop Lefebvres “neither schismatic or modernist” line as a de facto denunciation when in fact that was never his position. Then of course along came Salsa and Siscoe and wrote a book how we can know for certain that they are in fact Pope when we can’t really say. 
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Offline CatholicInAmerica

Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2019, 12:05:37 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 04, 2019, 09:08:03 AM
You are correct that this is not in fact sedeplenism (I call it sede-doubtism).  If you are a sedeplenist in the strict sense, there can be no doubt whatsoever, but only 100% certainty of faith, since papal legitimacy is a dogmatic fact.
Can you explain sede doubtism? 
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2019, 01:06:17 PM »
It’s possible both to reject strict sedeplenism in the sense that ladislaus describes, to say that the Church might yet declare one or more of these popes are in fact antipopes, AND yet say that to be a Sedevacantist and to overtly reject communion with these men while they are recognized by the Catholic world as pope sin schismatic.

I’m not sure if that’s what lefebvre thought, or even if that’s correct, but I see no logical inconsistency on it 
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