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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2019, 04:04:34 PM »
If this were true, then dogmatic sedevacantism wouldn’t exist.  As it is, many sedes (including the priests) treat other Trads as if sedevacantism is 100% certain, which it isn’t.  

Why?  Not all sedevacantists are of the "dogmatic" variety.  +Sanborn et al. are the most vocal and dogmatic.  SSPV is more that it's their opinion and have no issues regarding communion with R&R priests.  There's a lady who attends SSPV chapel (one of their prominent members) who teaches at the school of an Independent Priest who's basically R&R, and they have no issues with it and even encourage it.  SSPV is more about issues regarding the validity of the NO Sacraments, annulments, etc. ... as per the beginnings of their group.  +Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, and +Dolan eventually split off into a more dogmatic strain.  Of course, then there are the Dimonds, the most dogmatic of them all, but other dogmatic sedevacantists like +Sanborn et al. consider them heretics for their position on EENS.  The Dimonds once wrote to me telling me I was a heretic simply because I didn't think someone was a heretic just for thinking that the V2 popes might be legitimate.

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2019, 05:35:25 PM »
Why?  Not all sedevacantists are of the "dogmatic" variety.  +Sanborn et al. are the most vocal and dogmatic.  SSPV is more that it's their opinion and have no issues regarding communion with R&R priests.  There's a lady who attends SSPV chapel (one of their prominent members) who teaches at the school of an Independent Priest who's basically R&R, and they have no issues with it and even encourage it.  SSPV is more about issues regarding the validity of the NO Sacraments, annulments, etc. ... as per the beginnings of their group.  +Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, and +Dolan eventually split off into a more dogmatic strain.  Of course, then there are the Dimonds, the most dogmatic of them all, but other dogmatic sedevacantists like +Sanborn et al. consider them heretics for their position on EENS.  The Dimonds once wrote to me telling me I was a heretic simply because I didn't think someone was a heretic just for thinking that the V2 popes might be legitimate.
Yes, but the SSPVers are extreme dogmatic “anti-Thucites”, to the degree that you can’t even associate with anyone associated with those who derived their orders from Archbishop Thuc. I think this is actually worse than the dogmatic sedevacantists.


Re: Bishop Williamson 2018: sedevacantism and Bishop Faure's seminary
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2019, 06:29:47 PM »

Sedevacantism is not what threatens to undo the social fabric of this and other countries. Sedevacantism is not what has led to the utter moral and spiritual collapse of entire nations. It is, at worst, a symptom of the last days.

 
What these Protestant Evangelicals are discussing today, however, does get at the very core of the problems dealing with the demise of Christian, culture socially, morally and spiritually. So-called traditional Catholics (on CI) ought to redirect their efforts and re-address their concerns. SVism and sedeplenism are not the driving issues of our day. Forget Bp. Sanborn and the “anti-Thucites. They mean nothing, and all discussion about them leads nowhere.

No, the present Jєωιѕн-inspired LGBTQ agenda should be one of the major objects of our collective Catholic concern. We must somehow, IMO, as Catholics, get out of our ruts, and be directed away from the silly polemics and parochial anxieties of a relatively few Catholics with SSPX backgrounds. We must begin to refocus on issues that really affect all mankind in the midst of the universal decay of all that is decent, right and good in the world, and, ultimately, are of eternal significance and weight.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2019, 06:38:49 PM »
Yes, but the SSPVers are extreme dogmatic “anti-Thucites”, to the degree that you can’t even associate with anyone associated with those who derived their orders from Archbishop Thuc. I think this is actually worse than the dogmatic sedevacantists.

OK, but that's a separate issue.  That too is a question of the validity of the Sacraments (as was their initial break with SSPX) ... and, IMO, a lot of politics.  I don't agree with them about the Thuc question.

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2019, 06:56:39 PM »
OK, but that's a separate issue.  That too is a question of the validity of the Sacraments (as was their initial break with SSPX) ... and, IMO, a lot of politics.  I don't agree with them about the Thuc question.
I knew you didn’t agree with them on the validity of the Thuc line. I do agree that it is politics, but it’s also a huge amount of pride and a lack of knowledge, willingly and unwillingly, in sacramental theology.