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Fellay: Negotiations could go either way (From IA)
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 11:29:22 AM »
Quote from: brainglitch
From IA poster Cristera, a conference that Bishop Fellay gave in Avignon on 5/2:

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He (Bishop Fellay) evoked  the very difficult position of the Holy Father in front of the opposition of the modernists, even within the Vatican by those who should serve the Pope (deaf oppositions such as changing texts, blocking mail, for example: a superior of a Benedictine monastery who asks the pope to return to the old Mass for his community. After six months without response, he sends a request through a Roman prelate who delivers it directly to the Holy Father: The pope was surprised so he immediately gave a positive response, inviting other communities to do the same ...)


Forgive my confusion...but I thought "permission" wasn't necessary.

Fellay: Negotiations could go either way (From IA)
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 02:36:30 PM »
From IA poster Cristera, a conference that Bishop Fellay gave in Avignon on 5/2:

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He (Bishop Fellay) evoked  the very difficult position of the Holy Father in front of the opposition of the modernists, even within the Vatican by those who should serve the Pope (deaf oppositions such as changing texts, blocking mail, for example: a superior of a Benedictine monastery who asks the pope to return to the old Mass for his community. After six months without response, he sends a request through a Roman prelate who delivers it directly to the Holy Father: The pope was surprised so he immediately gave a positive response, inviting other communities to do the same ...)

Bishop Fellay has confirmed that the period is crucial and that the response to Preamble is in the hands of the Vatican for examination. He confirmed the unleashing of the forces of hell, never seen in 40 years, especially against the Pope (he evoked  the Williamson affair), the two opposing tendencies within the Church (progressive and conservative).
He also noted clear signs of a change taking place in the Church, especially with the clergy (including young bishops) which turns to the traditional liturgy. Bishop Fellay, who is in a very difficult position, is trying to see the will of God through the events. That's why he invites us to prayer and confidence, God won’t abandon his Church.

As for the conclusion of the dialogue: agreement, not agreement; he specified that in both cases it will be difficult for the SSPX, who will leave a period of status quo (neither schismatic nor excommunicated, but not in full communion: thus a certain freedom of operation). The refusal of an agreement would open over a period of strong tensions; an agreement would unleash the modernists.


Sounds like this whole negotiation could go either way. It certainly does not sound like is it a done deal.

:pray: for Bishop Fellay.




That is exactly what I was told by my priest.  There is no done deal.  It's all resting on the thin edge of a dime.

That is not to say I agree with an agreement but it's not done and over with yet.

(darn, I haven't figured out the quote thing yet sorry)



Fellay: Negotiations could go either way (From IA)
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 02:41:02 PM »
Quote from: KyerieEleison
From IA poster Cristera, a conference that Bishop Fellay gave in Avignon on 5/2:

Quote:
He (Bishop Fellay) evoked  the very difficult position of the Holy Father in front of the opposition of the modernists, even within the Vatican by those who should serve the Pope (deaf oppositions such as changing texts, blocking mail, for example: a superior of a Benedictine monastery who asks the pope to return to the old Mass for his community. After six months without response, he sends a request through a Roman prelate who delivers it directly to the Holy Father: The pope was surprised so he immediately gave a positive response, inviting other communities to do the same ...)

Bishop Fellay has confirmed that the period is crucial and that the response to Preamble is in the hands of the Vatican for examination. He confirmed the unleashing of the forces of hell, never seen in 40 years, especially against the Pope (he evoked  the Williamson affair), the two opposing tendencies within the Church (progressive and conservative).
He also noted clear signs of a change taking place in the Church, especially with the clergy (including young bishops) which turns to the traditional liturgy. Bishop Fellay, who is in a very difficult position, is trying to see the will of God through the events. That's why he invites us to prayer and confidence, God won’t abandon his Church.

As for the conclusion of the dialogue: agreement, not agreement; he specified that in both cases it will be difficult for the SSPX, who will leave a period of status quo (neither schismatic nor excommunicated, but not in full communion: thus a certain freedom of operation). The refusal of an agreement would open over a period of strong tensions; an agreement would unleash the modernists.


Sounds like this whole negotiation could go either way. It certainly does not sound like is it a done deal.

:pray: for Bishop Fellay.




That is exactly what I was told by my priest.  There is no done deal.  It's all resting on the thin edge of a dime.

That is not to say I agree with an agreement but it's not done and over with yet.

(darn, I haven't figured out the quote thing yet sorry)



   Idiotic.

   The only thing that will hold up a deal now is rejection by Rome.

   Bishop Fellay has the effrontery to ask us to pray a Novena for the sellout of the SSPX.

   In his mind, he has committed to a deal.

   The only issue is whether Rome will give him one.