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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2014, 08:15:09 PM »
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    One thing that was mentioned by an SSPX priest a couple of years ago is access by the seminarians to world class sacred art and music.  The seminarians will have access to massive, breath-taking art in DC and Baltimore, at the National Gallery and Walters Museum.  


    Not to mention they'll also have access to the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum!  I'm sure Bishop Fellay will make that mandatory just to distance the neo-SSPX from Bishop Williamson.   :fryingpan:  Plus, it's one of the most important doctrines of that sect he wants to join.

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    « Reply #16 on: May 01, 2014, 09:13:41 AM »
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  • They will also have access to the White House[/i]!!!
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    « Reply #17 on: May 01, 2014, 01:05:51 PM »
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  • THE FUTURE?


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    « Reply #18 on: May 01, 2014, 01:54:06 PM »
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  • Yes, it was wonderful living in DC and it will always be my true home no matter where I live.  It was wonderful growing up around the Shrine and all the Religious Houses.  I do hate to think of what it has become now.

    One thing that I've been chuckling over since I posted, and which later occurred to me, is the fact that I've been told that we Traditional Catholics are considered potential terrorists.  Well, the seminary is near the headquarters of the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security!  If anyone wants to come see the arsenal of weapons that Traditional Catholics maintain, I'm sure those at the seminary will be more than pleased to show them the Holy Mass, the Divine Office, the Rosary, and the Scapular and even invite them to participate should they so desire.

    If those at the seminary can convert Washington, DC, then converting Rome should be mere child's play.

    As for cultural enrichment by means of the museums, etc., I have mixed feelings.  Many of those institutions are/were in very close proximity to strip joints and monuments to the Masonic founders, etc.  Very alluring to the unwary.  

    I personally would rather see them pursue more of a monastic-style life and let nature raise their minds and hearts to God instead of works of man.  After all, these men are to provide for the spiritual needs of people.  You can't give what you don't first have yourself.  

    If they want cultural enrichment by means of secular things, let them get it out of their system before entering the seminary.  But once there, heart and mind on God only.  If not, then in that location they will find their minds turning both ways and it could make their formation more difficult, less dedicated, ending up with worldly priests.  

    I saw what we all thought were "holy" priests turn worldly in DC at the time of Vatican II.  Once they were allowed more freedom, they indulged readily and often and we, the parishioners, felt the effects all too keenly.  And seminarians at the Religious Houses were given more freedom as well and they quickly lost vocations.  I knew directors of novices and the reasons I heard about why novices and seminarians left in large part was because they left the confines of their monasteries and ventured "into the world" as they put it, began to question their vocation, and never returned to formation.  I hope those in charge at the monastery will take proper precautions and learn from history.

    My heart wants the Society to go back to what it was founded to be, and I am trying to give every benefit of the doubt here with regard to this seminary.  But my mind is telling me that this project, in this location, is a huge mistake and will only contribute towards the success of the Society's new direction.


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    « Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 03:07:08 PM »
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    CI members:  
    Please show this video and the comments page to your friends and family members
    who would be making plans to attend Virginia SSPX seminary!  

    Do not be remiss!








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    THE FUTURE?


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/GwkdLGCls-g[/youtube]

    Legionaires of Christ seminary in Cheshire Connecticut!!!



    Welcome to the future (neighbors) of the SSPX in Virginia!  All these roads lead to modernist Rome.



    Video comments page:

    Savio Peter
    3 months ago
     
    Amazing video! I just hope all seminaries around the world were this fun and exciting along with Spiritual growth. 
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    Rich P
    3 months ago
     
    can someone put the lyrics from the song? some of us are foreginers and dont get its whole meaning
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    Fr. Shane Johnson via Google+
    1 year ago
     
    A great "Life in the Seminary" video made by the seminarians in Cheshire (CT), where I spent 7 years... Though there was more studying and class time than is represented here, if I remember right... :-)
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    Shane Littleton
    1 year ago
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    This is a really great order that does a lot for the Church, good luck with your possible discernment!

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    Alfonso Saucedo
    1 year ago
     
    AWESOME!!!
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    Tee Te
    11 months ago
     
    i watch it like every day
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    FrankRC85
    1 year ago
     
    Amazing video :)
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    Edward Rodriguez
    1 year ago
     
    felicitaciones, excelente video y me encanta la cancion, como es el nombre de la cancion?
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    CentroEstudiantilVlc
    1 year ago
     
    yeah!! thats our family LC-RC!! :) sending you prayers from the precandidacy RC spain!!!!
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    communibus
    1 year ago
     
    Good but Spoilt by the music!!   [<---communibus is the only one critical of the gutter-rap backdrop!]
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    Shortandslicked911
    1 year ago
     
    This video is awesome ! It shows that priests love God and at the same time are people , ordinary guys who will go on to extraordinary things . To the person who put this vid together , nice one !
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    misstardy01
    1 year ago
     
    I'd like to know the name of the song, too, and if possible have a link to the lyrics, please.
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    Steve McGuinness
    7 months ago
     
    Nice video and song. Thanks for producing and posting it. I have been to the seminary in Cheshire several times and consider it to be holy ground full of loving deciples. I'm looking forward to returning soon.
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    whynotpriest
    1 year ago
     
    Congratulations!
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    José María Jarry
    1 year ago
     
    Spectacular! What´s the name of the song? God bless.
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    Edward Rodriguez
    1 year ago
     
    favor informarme el nombre de la cancion, a email merwin1313@hotmail.com felicidades
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    Adversity3
    1 year ago
     
    So beautiful!
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    Es pa
    1 year ago
     
    I love this family
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    Andres Roman
    1 year ago
     
    Hi Cheshire LCs!!! Boy you guys are awesome! If only I could be in your shoes and living the way you do, live would be so much fun and rewarding! I love the sound track of the video! Is it your own or from some artist? Where can I download it! Have a great time! And who ever LC brother who reads this, welcome my good friend Jorge who is going to Cheshire on Monday! Be saints! PD: Forgive my grammar mistakes!
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    pahntom12
    1 year ago
     
    this is so ligit!!!!





    [This is so legitimate???]



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    « Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 03:26:31 PM »
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    The so-called music of the video embedded above foreshadows the liturgical music that is coming to the parish near you -- mark my words.

    I know this is the truth because they're already using it in some NovusOrdo parishes.  And the local bishops are all for it.  Wake up!!



    And the comments below the video prove the point.  Only one of the comments (communibus) was critical of the music saying, "Good but Spoilt by the music!!"  

    I am telling you, this is what it's going to be.  

    How can the seminarians of the Society avoid this kind of corruption when they will be taught to become friends with these very people?  

    Why would these comment posters who are enamoured with this garbage be capable of learning and loving Gregorian Chant?  Answer: THEY WON'T.



    Wake up and smell the coffee.  

    The writing is on the wall.  And this is what the writing says:






    "Behold I have told it to you, beforehand"
    (Matt. xxiv. 25)




    "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect"
    (Id. Supra, 24)




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    « Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 03:32:59 PM »
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    Nice, but can they breakdance? And, where are the women seminarians? :stare:

    I don't want to gain the whole world and lose my soullllllllllll . . . groovy tune, man! :smoke-pot:






    BlackIrish, you are SUCH a wet blanket.  

    Here we are having a nice RANT and you come along and put out the flames with

    'BREAKDANCE' and 'WOMEN SEMINARIANS' and 'GROOVY TUNE, MAN'!


    :guitar:        


       :rolleyes:


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    « Reply #22 on: May 01, 2014, 03:49:04 PM »
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    Quote from: BlackIrish
    Nice, but can they breakdance? And, where are the women seminarians? :stare:

    I don't want to gain the whole world and lose my soullllllllllll . . . groovy tune, man! :smoke-pot:






    BlackIrish, you are SUCH a wet blanket.  

    Here we are having a nice RANT and you come along and put out the flames with

    'BREAKDANCE' and 'WOMEN SEMINARIANS' and 'GROOVY TUNE, MAN'!


    :guitar:        


       :rolleyes:


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    Sorry, Neil Obstat, but I just can't take this world too seriously . . . it has spat on me one too many times :sign-surrender:

    Besides, I pray for the conversion of the world in my Rosary. Unlike many of the seminarians in the video, I don't have any illusions that I can "change the world"!   :smirk:

    I'll leave that job to our Lord and His most worthy Mother.


    Continue RANT here . . . : :guitar: :guitar:  :guitar:

     :cool:


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    « Reply #23 on: May 01, 2014, 03:53:57 PM »
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    Yes, it was wonderful living in DC and it will always be my true home no matter where I live.  It was wonderful growing up around the Shrine and all the Religious Houses.  I do hate to think of what it has become now.
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    As for cultural enrichment by means of the museums, etc., I have mixed feelings.  Many of those institutions are/were in very close proximity to strip joints and monuments to the Masonic founders, etc.  Very alluring to the unwary.  

    I personally would rather see them pursue more of a monastic-style life and let nature raise their minds and hearts to God instead of works of man.  After all, these men are to provide for the spiritual needs of people.  You can't give what you don't first have yourself.  

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    Did you walk around Rock Creek Cemetary much as a kid?  So beautiful; I used to spend a lot of time there.  Also the glorious Franciscan Monastery.

    Everything is cleaned up for miles around the Mall now, even the Washington  Monument repaired after the earthquake damage.  Nobody is scandalised going to the museums, I promise you.

    But Nipr, the Mellon Collection is divinely inspired sacred art, it really is.  And the National Gallery is incredibly beautiful.  Then there is the Library of Congress for rare books (also extremely beautiful).  While I also love what nature has to offer, I'm a big supporter of art education.  The sacred art at the National Gallery played a huge role in my Catholic formation.  I hope you get a chance to come back to DC one day.

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    « Reply #24 on: May 01, 2014, 03:54:13 PM »
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  • Neil Obstat, you are absolutely right on this.  Modernist Rome and societies that seek Rome's blessing including its seminaries must of necessity become more protestant with each passing year to attract the bodies to fill their schools and chapels.  Once that step is made, and it was made long long ago, there is no going back.  The die has been cast.  It is almost as if they determine they must be one with the world to identify with those in it.  Really a great tragedy.

    I am humbled God called me out of the world that is portrayed in this video, with rock christian music and an imitation church to suit lives that imitate the world.  We need to pray for these young men who have been drawn to a priesthood that of design, will be ultimately a poor imitation of what it really should be.  

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    « Reply #25 on: May 01, 2014, 04:43:07 PM »
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     will be ultimately a poor imitation of what it really should be.  


    Change that....will be ultimately be a DISASTEROUS imitation of what it really should be.  With modernism, there are no winners, only losers.  


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    « Reply #26 on: May 01, 2014, 06:36:21 PM »
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    They will also have access to the White House[/i]!!!
     :scared2:

     


    They'll also have access to the Gentlemen's Clubs, and associated "houses."


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    I was joking, Neil.  I was joking about TK's fantasy about future seminarians driving 5 hours to go to the h0Ɩ0cαųst museum in order to appease the Jews.

    Still, I am embarrassed you have made such an off-color statement and implication about traditional Catholic seminarians.  I apologise if my lame attempt at humor encouraged you in any way.



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    « Reply #27 on: May 01, 2014, 10:32:38 PM »
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  • Elizabeth, I'll answer you by PM regarding anything off-topic, but I do think the seminarians should see the Franciscan Monastery and go through the replication of the catacombs and underground altars.  They need to realize how people had to live during times of persecution--they didn't have such a nice time of it being priest or faithful then.

    It would also be good for them to see the Shrine with its magnificent art and drive around the Houses of the various Religious Orders in its vicinity to see how huge they were, filled with young men who were willing to leave everything for the sake of giving their entire life to God.  

    Catholic University is adjacent to the Shrine.  Very liberal. The Metro could get them there in a flash from some point in Virginia.  This worries me.  They can get to a lot of places that worry me by means of the Metro.

    The Newman Bookstore (if it's still there) is also very near to the Shrine.  It used to be full of the writings of the saints; best bookstore I've ever been to.  I built a tremendous library from purchases there.  Then it went Novus Ordo.  It became a dangerous place for seminarians.

    Regarding the museums, I must disagree with you that they hold no harm.  I spent many a Saturday as a kid going through the museums and it was all free of charge.  We had field trips there from school, but the Sisters kept us away from the provocative art.  I didn't notice anything harmful then, but I had the innocence of childhood.  Going through the museums later as an adult, I was embarrassed by the nude paintings and sculptures for one thing and while I realize this is a form of art, it is also an occasion of temptation for many, especially young men who are trying to remain celibate.  Not to mention the scantily clad women who come with their families to visit the city and see these precise places.  Washington is HOT in the summer.  The sidewalks are full of tourists in the most ah, "comfortable" clothing.

    The Library of Congress is a wonderful place, but it is right across the street from the Supreme Court -- a magnificent building in itself but oh! what atrocities are enacted there by the passage of our laws.  One is awed by the building and forgets what goes on inside.  

    Also in that area are the Congressional and Senate office buildings.  Easy to spot well-known personalities with their aides by their sides if you know the right time to be there.  Money, power, achievement -- but all in the wrong direction.

    DC does this to you.  The magnificence of the statues everywhere is quite breathtaking -- but statues of Freemasons, not saints.  Little by little you come to accept it all.  You become numb to the outrage against God and His laws that Washington exemplifies unless your faith is very, very strong and you are mature.  But are we not speaking here about primarily young men who have never seen such sites or felt the allure of the world and its goods so much as DC possesses, even revels in?

    How about all the demonstrations that go on there for things sane and perverted?  Even if you don't attend, they still make the news.  Little by little "separation of Church and State" starts to make more sense to you.  People's "rights" are superior to God's rights in DC--a government 'of the people, by the people, for the people.'  Too true.

    Yes, Washington has many wonderful places to visit and if you have money and a wife and can see the sites and not have to go back to a life of privation, it is one thing.  But these young men -- they will see what the world has to offer to those their own age and perhaps make them wonder if they made the right decision to enter the seminary.  Their days and weekends will be dedicated to study of very difficult and somewhat boring (for some) subject matter.  For pay?  No.  For power?  No.  For prestige?  No.

    In visiting the city, they will see young men who "have it all" -- a prestigious job with an unbelievably high salary for their every want and desire, fine restaurants where such men dine with women who are in great need of more fabric for their outfits leaning on their arms and laughing at their every joke, the best of cars, luxurious homes...  Being around it can change a person.  Washington reeks of pride, ambition, "the world."  It is one of the devil's playgrounds.  

    During the day, the sidewalks are full of those whose lives are ruled by ambition.  During the evenings, the city turns into a gathering place for the "theatre crowd" and those visiting bistros, exclusive social events.  They are out in true form showing off all their fine possessions.  Everything anybody could want.  

    Weekends and evenings also bring men and women athletes of their own age who run around the parks and sidewalks, walk their dogs--young people who live in townhouses on Capitol Hill or in apartments nearby.  Decent clothing optional.  Georgetown is a sewer for the soul in many ways, especially at night, although it is enchanting with its specialty shops during the day.  

    I worked in large law firms where there were plenty of young lawyers who came from small towns.  Washington swept them off their feet.  In a matter of just a short time they were living "the good life" and their marriages broke up...  It is a beautiful city but it's too easy to lose your soul there --and you don't even know it's happening to you.

    Elizabeth, you are way different from the men who will be studying at the seminary.  You were inspired by religious art and that is good.  But these men are going against everything a man of their age craves.  It is a different thing.  Washington is just too tempting for them.  I too appreciate the value of education, but we are speaking about the formation of priests, not laymen.  The emphasis should be on things spiritual.  There is too much sensory input in DC that detracts from recollection and peace of soul.  

    I well realize we are talking about just visiting the city and not living and working there, but still, it is not a place easy to forget.  While living there and working there later in life, I never saw any priests or Sisters on the streets of DC, even though their seminaries and monasteries were on the edge of the city.  Their Superiors knew the dangers and kept them far away, a most wise decision in my estimation.

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    « Reply #28 on: May 02, 2014, 03:54:04 AM »
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    They will also have access to the White House[/i]!!!
     :scared2:

     


    They'll also have access to the Gentlemen's Clubs, and associated "houses."


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    I was joking, Neil.  I was joking about TK's fantasy about future seminarians driving 5 hours to go to the h0Ɩ0cαųst museum in order to appease the Jews.

    Still, I am embarrassed you have made such an off-color statement and implication about traditional Catholic seminarians.  I apologise if my lame attempt at humor encouraged you in any way.



    Dear Elizabeth,

    Thank you for your joke.  Please try to realize that when you try to be funny, sometimes it reminds others of something you had not intended.  Such is the case here.  But you seem to be ignorant of the past 40 years of seminary life in America.

    I hope I don't shock you too much when I explain to you that I had friends in the seminary at San Fernando Mission in 1972 (which was just after the Newmass had come to town like a traveling circus), and they told me stories about how the other seminarians "entertained" themselves.  Should I presume they were lying to me?  I also had friends who attended the seminary in Camarillo in subsequent years, you know, the one that's still running, and is popularly known today as the PINK PALACE, and for very good reason.  Maybe you can't bear to hear why, though.  These friends of mine were eventually expelled.  

    They told me there were 3 reasons that a good seminarian would get kicked out, and these reasons were not mentioned in the official record.  So if you go there today, and look up why A or B or C was expelled it will say stuff like, "He was habitually tardy," or "He was not respectful of authority," or "He was caught too many times with unapproved attire."  But in fact, the real reasons were that they   1)   had been found studying Latin, or   2)  had been discovered learning the prayers of the Canonized Latin Mass, or 3)  they had been caught praying the Rosary, usually in their closet.  (No one was allowed to pray the Rosary in the open - at a SEMINARY.)  

    This is the kind of thing that they have been doing in NovusOrdo seminaries.  Oh, but I omitted the clincher.  

    One of the admitted criteria they have, and you can call them on the phone to verify this, is that they require all the seminarians to be accepting of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. No, I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.  These young men can be PUNISHED for being hostile in any way to perverts and flaming queers.  In fact, in the interview process, they ask about any attitudes of the applicant that might make him unlikely material for this seminary, the PINK PALACE (they don't use that term in the paperwork, though), and when found out, the applicant can be rejected, and the official reason is (they actually write this down) that he was found to be INSUFFICIENTLY PASTORALLY SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THOSE WITH AN ALTERNATIVE sɛҳuąƖITY.

    Maybe now you realize that I'm not making it up.  If not, I'm not sure what more I can do for you without crossing the line of decency, which would actually BE sinful.


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    « Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 04:07:42 AM »
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    Neil Obstat, you are absolutely right on this.  Modernist Rome and societies that seek Rome's blessing including its seminaries must of necessity become more protestant with each passing year to attract the bodies to fill their schools and chapels.  Once that step is made, and it was made long long ago, there is no going back.  The die has been cast.  It is almost as if they determine they must be one with the world to identify with those in it.  Really a great tragedy.

    I am humbled God called me out of the world that is portrayed in this video, with rock christian music and an imitation church to suit lives that imitate the world.  We need to pray for these young men who have been drawn to a priesthood that of design, will be ultimately be a DISASTEROUS imitation of what it really should be.  With modernism, there are no winners, only losers.    



    I'm glad you are willing to open your eyes and see the truth of the matter, Nickolas.

    This should provide greater comprehension of what the Resistance priests are talking about when they say, "The superiors form the subjects.  The subjects do not form the superiors."  It is also the basis of the principle, "Surround yourself with those like whom you want to become."  

    When the new location in Virginia is occupied, and the seminarians are able to go out and associate with others in the community at large, they will be nearby to a lot of influences that were not at hand at Winona.  And it seems to me that the precipitous decline in applicants this past year, if it continues, will make it rather impossible for the SSPX to ignore the need to bring in other groups of students, such as local diocese seminarians, and along with them would come their NovusOrdo classes and professors.  But this is my own speculation, based on what I have read about what's going on, and the attitudes of those whom I know that are involved in the seminary process.


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