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Bishop Tissier de Malleraiss sermon for Pentecost...
« on: May 26, 2013, 08:19:24 AM »
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  • ... preached at the Chartres-Paris Pilgrimage on Sunday 19th May 2013
    (available as a .pdf on http://www.sspx.co.uk/)

    Dear pilgrims,
         
    Although we are in the rain and we are cold, inside of us the charity of the Holy Ghost is burning! Our thoughts are with St Joseph on the road to Egypt, who, having understood that he was the adoptive and legal father of the Son of God, suddenly in the night had to leave Bethlehem and go into exile.

    Well, this is rather in the image of our own situation, my dear faithful. We are on the paths of exile and that may be for a long time. We must take courage, with the Holy Ghost, imitating the example and the vocation of St. Joseph. When the angel said to him in the night: “Joseph take Mary and the Child and flee into Egypt!” immediately and without question, he went and stayed there, in a foreign country where he did not even know the language, for one or two years − until God called him back from Egypt. “I called my Son out of Egypt!”

    (Looking at) our position in the Church, dear faithful, we resemble a little the Holy Family; we are in exile and yet we are the Holy Family. You see, the Holy Family of Jesus, Mary and Joseph was the seedling-Church! The Church did not yet exist but here was the Church in seed; there was first Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the head of the Church, his Mystical Body; then there was the first member of the Church, Mary, Most Holy, Immaculate Virgin, redeemed in advance through the blood of Jesus Christ; and there was Joseph, cleansed of original sin, probably before his birth (we do not know exactly).
         
    So, the Holy Family represented the Church. Well we, dear faithful, in Tradition, the Society of St. Pius X and the friendly religious and priestly communities, we carry the Church into exile! Since the Church is officially occupied by the Modernists, we are sent into exile, carrying the Church within us, and this may last for a few more years, until the Lord sends his angel and tells us, “Now you can return to the land of Israel,” officially. But we are still carrying within us the Church!

    I remember that Archbishop Lefebvre explained very well to us that we had within us, in Tradition, the four notes of the Catholic Church, the four marks of the Church, showing that, despite our abnormal situation of exile, we remain at the heart of the Catholic Church! We have indeed kept the unity of the Church, the catholicity of the Church, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

    “Unity” because we have kept the faith! The unity of the Church is first of all in the Catholic faith, in that all Catholics profess the same faith! Well, we have the unity of the Church because we have the faith of all time, dear faithful, and there is no question of leaving it and compromising with the modernist heresy.

    After “One”, Holy! We have kept the holiness of the Church and of that you are the proof, dear families where God chooses these beautiful religious and priestly vocations, lives devoted to God which are a model for the whole Church! We have kept the note of the holiness of the Church by the grace of God.

    “One, Holy,” Catholic! We also have the catholicity of the Church, for the Tradition we represent has spread worldwide! Not only in France, not only in the United States, represented here by its district superior, not only in Germany, represented by many pilgrims, not only in these places ... but all over the world! You, dear pilgrims, you are the proof that Tradition, so alive in us, is Catholic!
    And finally we represent Apostolicity of the Church! The Church is Apostolic, we are also apostolic. That means we have the apostolic succession through our bishops. We, bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, have received the episcopate from the hands of Archbishop Lefebvre in a legitimate way, even if it was abnormal. And therefore, as long as we remain in the Church, we carry the Church in exile.

    So, dear faithful, we may often ask what is our vocation? Could it not be to seek from Rome those blessings which rightfully should be ours − to seek approval and recognition? Of course, this is a question we could ask ourselves, but it is not the essential question!

    The real question we must ask ourselves is: “How should we witness to the Catholic faith today, in the present situation of the Church which is suffering a terrible crisis?”  What witness should we bear, today? And the answer is the testimony of all the witnesses of the Faith and the Martyrs! All these saints of the Church, these confessors of the Faith, all the martyrs of the Church are an example for us!

    So here is the answer to that question, dear faithful!  This is the best way to bear witness before the whole Church: to be on a pinnacle and publicly condemned to exile. Well, this is to our advantage because our testimony is all the more striking for being considered a stumbling block by the Modernists  – just as Our Lord was by Herod at the time. Is it not an advantage for the Church to see where Tradition is? This is the stumbling block for the Modernists, for what is called the Conciliar Church, that is to say, the SECT that occupies the Catholic Church. This is an advantage for us, to be regarded as excluded and in exile, dear faithful; to be looked upon as the “stone rejected by the builders” which will become, and already is, the cornerstone, the stone that supports the building.

    Is it not Tradition, the Catholic faith of all time that we represent? So here's why we do not weep if we do not receive from Rome that news which was perhaps expected… or whatever. Let us remain quietly in exile as the good Lord wills. And let us bear this witness to the Catholic faith that the martyrs have given.

    I spoke this morning to the children about Saint Hermenegild. He was a young martyr, seventeen years old, who lived in the sixth century. He was Catholic, but his father was a heretic, an Arian. He was supposed to inherit the throne of Spain, but his father, furious that his son was a Catholic, forbade him the throne and sentenced him to prison. Hermenegild – whom we celebrate on April 13th (a month ago) was in prison for several months as Easter approached. He wanted to receive Communion, Holy Communion for Easter. His father was thinking the same thing and sent him a bishop carrying Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament! What a joy for Hermenegild to be able to make his Easter communion! Except that when the bishop entered the prison cell, he presented himself thus: “I am the Bishop of Huesca, I am an Arian and I bring you Holy Communion!”  “I am Arian,” that is to say “I am a heretic, I'm not Catholic.”

    It was a bishop who was not Catholic, dear faithful, who brought Holy Communion to Hermenegild. What did Hermenegild do? What would you have done in his place? Would you still have accepted to receive Holy Communion? In order to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, is it not worth making some compromises, receiving even from unworthy hands the Lord Jesus? This bishop celebrated Mass validly though he did not believe that Jesus is God, because that was the Arian religion. He did not even believe that Jesus was God! But we do think he could validly celebrate Mass and he was bringing Jesus in the Eucharist!
    Well, in the twinkling of an eye, inspired by one of the gifts of the Holy Ghost – whom we are celebrating today − the gift of Counsel, he said: “No. I will not receive communion from your sacrilegious hands! As for me, I am in chains but I am free to work my salvation. You, my lord, are free but you are a slave of the devil because you have a false faith, you're not Catholic! And I will not receive Holy Communion from sacrilegious hands!”

    What an example for us, my dear faithful! All the beautiful gifts coming from Rome, we are not prepared to accept them without examination, without considering the circuмstances in which this gift would be made. We demand to be able to maintain our public and entire profession of the Catholic Faith. We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism. This is the example of Saint Hermenegild, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
         
    There is also the example of St. Joseph, who remained in that exile in which was found the Church, the whole Church, until it was time to return to the Holy Land. “I called my son out of Egypt.”

    In the meantime, dear faithful, let us pray to the Blessed Virgin, the Spouse of the Holy Ghost who was filled with the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost from the very first moment of her conception. She had the gift of Counsel when she received the message from the Archangel Gabriel telling her that she was to become the Mother of God! She said “Yes, fiat!” immediately! The gift of Counsel! And she had the gift of Fortitude at the foot of the Cross when she remained for three hours standing before her Son, God made man, who was agonizing on the Cross, before her eyes! She remained firm as the Mother of the High Priest, the mother of the Victim, the divine victim for our sins. Well, let us ask the Blessed Virgin to fill us with these seven gifts of the Holy Ghost through her intercession, especially the gift of Counsel which will dictate our conduct, and the gift of divine Fortitude, so that we may know when to say “No!” For fortitude consists more in resisting evil than in attacking the enemy. Let us remain very firm, united in the Catholic faith, dear faithful, under the patronage of St. Joseph to whom we shall renew in a moment the consecration of the Society of St. Pius X. Amen!



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    Bishop Tissier de Malleraiss sermon for Pentecost...
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2013, 08:39:17 AM »
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  • Bishop Tissier said:

    What an example for us, my dear faithful! All the beautiful gifts coming from Rome, we are not prepared to accept them without examination, without considering the circuмstances in which this gift would be made. We demand to be able to maintain our public and entire profession of the Catholic Faith. We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism.

    Comment:

    1) This is an accordista sermon from start to finish;

    2) This snippet reveals that he will go along with the right deal.

    3) It just needs to be closely examined to make sure it is a good deal with safeguards.

    4) We will accept "the gifts coming from Rome" if we can continue to preach the Catholic Faith.

    Very disappointing.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 09:03:18 AM »
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  • “For fortitude consists more in resisting evil than in attacking the enemy”. ? Fortaleza (Devocionario de la Fraternidad San Pío X: 255. 2004): “…Atacar con valor y audacia los ataques puestos al bien…” I don’t know (used to be a Botanist), but it seems to me from reading Monseñor Tissier’s Biography of Monseñor Lefebvre, that this last one did indeed “atacar”.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2013, 09:41:07 AM »
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  • The problem isn't just with the clutch after all... Sad but predictable: One has to try to justify his compromise.

    IMO, Bp. Tissier is the biggest deception in this whole sell-out crisis. Fr. Peter Scott come right at second.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2013, 11:09:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Bishop Tissier said:

    What an example for us, my dear faithful! All the beautiful gifts coming from Rome, we are not prepared to accept them without examination, without considering the circuмstances in which this gift would be made. We demand to be able to maintain our public and entire profession of the Catholic Faith. We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism.

    Comment:

    1) This is an accordista sermon from start to finish;

    2) This snippet reveals that he will go along with the right deal.

    3) It just needs to be closely examined to make sure it is a good deal with safeguards.

    4) We will accept "the gifts coming from Rome" if we can continue to preach the Catholic Faith.

    Very disappointing.


    You like to read too much into things.

    Above he states clearly that the SSPX is in communion with the Church and that the conciliar sect is not the Church.  Nothing wrong there, and no necessity for any deal of any kind.

    I don't see anything wrong with what Bishop Tissier said here.

    That isn't approval of his actions.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2013, 11:45:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    Bishop Tissier said:

    What an example for us, my dear faithful! All the beautiful gifts coming from Rome, we are not prepared to accept them without examination, without considering the circuмstances in which this gift would be made. We demand to be able to maintain our public and entire profession of the Catholic Faith. We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism.

    Comment:

    1) This is an accordista sermon from start to finish;

    2) This snippet reveals that he will go along with the right deal.

    3) It just needs to be closely examined to make sure it is a good deal with safeguards.

    4) We will accept "the gifts coming from Rome" if we can continue to preach the Catholic Faith.

    Very disappointing.


    You like to read too much into things.

    Above he states clearly that the SSPX is in communion with the Church and that the conciliar sect is not the Church.  Nothing wrong there, and no necessity for any deal of any kind.

    I don't see anything wrong with what Bishop Tissier said here.

    That isn't approval of his actions.



    Tele-

    Your comment does not address Bishop Tissier's words provided in the quote.

    He says pretty clearly the gifts (ie., regularization) simply need to be scrutinized, not rejected.

    The implication being good gifts would be accepted.

    How is that any different than Bishop fellay saying he would accept a no strings attached deal?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2013, 12:20:15 PM »
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  • The hearers cannot agree on what the Bishop means.  THIS IS MODERNISM.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2013, 01:12:47 PM »
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  • From "Shamus" at IA:

    "All the beautiful gifts coming from Rome, we are not prepared to accept them without examination, without considering the circuмstances in which this gift would be made. We demand to be able to maintain our public and entire profession of the Catholic Faith. We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism. This is the example of Saint Hermenegild, inspired by the Holy Ghost."

    This would be all very reassuring had + Tissier been more explicit in explaining who and on what conditions these "beautiful gifts" would be examined!

    By collegial consensus of the selected members of the General Chapter on the weakly 3+3 conditions established in July 2012, or by episcopal authority on the principals so beautifully exemplified by St Hermenegild?

    Added: I see Seraphim you beat me to it!

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 02:13:24 PM »
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  • You don't get this messing about with Bishop Williamson as you do with Bishop Tissier. Bishop Tissier has been built up to something he never was, a fighter. I did say before, I won't give up on Bishop Tissier but then again laity are not members so not necessary to get annoyed with SSPX politics.

    Bishop Tissier was very clear in his admonishing of Fr Chazal and in stating it was a mistake to consecrate Bishop Williamson.

    Bishop Tissier should know better. That is the thing, he is no fool but is not a fighter.

    We should pray for him.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 03:18:31 PM »
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  • John Grace, sorry, but I don’t understand very well your post, English not being my first language and rather ignorant in the subject. However, it would seem to me that there are might be some contradictions (?)

    1.   I am also laity and do get annoyed with SSPX politics. Or should I not? And if so, why not (or why yes)? It does seem to me that this is a matter of my Faith.

    2.   Bishop Tissier was, as you explain, “very clear in his admonishing of Fr Chazal and in stating it was a mistake to consecrate Bishop Williamson”. Not a fighter?

    3.   His biography of Monseñor Lefebvre, a master-piece, IMIgnorantOpinion. Not a fighter?

    4.   The end of one of his published homilies in the internet (had it in my computer which went caput) where he repeats a statement from the Pope (Emeritus) that he doesn’t believe in God (or similar). Not a fighter?

    Hope he crosses Rubicon, naturally. He would be so much happier!

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    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elsa Zardini
    John Grace, sorry, but I don’t understand very well your post, English not being my first language and rather ignorant in the subject. However, it would seem to me that there are might be some contradictions (?)

    1.   I am also laity and do get annoyed with SSPX politics. Or should I not? And if so, why not (or why yes)? It does seem to me that this is a matter of my Faith.

    2.   Bishop Tissier was, as you explain, “very clear in his admonishing of Fr Chazal and in stating it was a mistake to consecrate Bishop Williamson”. Not a fighter?

    3.   His biography of Monseñor Lefebvre, a master-piece, IMIgnorantOpinion. Not a fighter?

    4.   The end of one of his published homilies in the internet (had it in my computer which went caput) where he repeats a statement from the Pope (Emeritus) that he doesn’t believe in God (or similar). Not a fighter?

    Hope he crosses Rubicon, naturally. He would be so much happier!


    As I was a bold boy, I accept my slap on the wrist and admonishment. You can get annoyed but it is not going to do you any good. I have no massive interest in going back over nuanced conversation.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2013, 03:47:33 PM »
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  • It would be interesting to get his (Bishop Tissier) opinion on the 'Crisis in the SSPX' conference. Personally, I believe he probably frowns upon it. The cheeky lot not to have blind obedience to a liberal, whom the Archbishop was leaned on to be added for consecration.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 26, 2013, 03:59:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Tissier
    We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism.


    There's nothing wrong here.

    His statement about the conciliar sect is diametrically opposed to what the current SSPX leadership is saying.

    He's also saying there is no need to be accepted.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 26, 2013, 04:31:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Quote from: Bishop Tissier
    We cannot receive poisoned gifts that would condemn us to compromise with Modernism.


    There's nothing wrong here.

    His statement about the conciliar sect is diametrically opposed to what the current SSPX leadership is saying.

    He's also saying there is no need to be accepted.


    Except that this is not the problematic sentence, but the one 2 sentences before it (and which puts the one you are quoting in proper context).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 04:48:15 PM »
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  • I don't see where he said he'd accept a deal with modernist Rome.

    If Rome does something that is genuinely good, as opposed to offering a Trojan Horse, then it's hard for someone who isn't sede to reject it.