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Offline Cristian

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 06:03:55 PM »
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    Anyway here is another one which I specially love... much more than the other one (actually I don´t like the other one :)...

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/174468


    Cristian,

    Thank you for posting this book.  It is one more that I will add to books that I hope to read.  


    You are welcome amice!


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    « Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 06:07:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    In English the ... last book of the Bible is the Apocalypse of St. John.  



    That's the Douay-Rheims and traditional Catholic term, whilst the protestants
    and other non-Catholics prefer "the Book of Revelation" or just "Revelation."

    It might be a bit disconcerting that Fr. Castellani uses "Revelation" except
    for the fact that he is from Argentina, and thus using the resources
    commonplace in the Spanish language, uses a word in place of "Apocalypse"
    that is widely used by non-Catholics in the English-speaking world.  He does
    say "Apocalitis" (or something like that - I have to restart my system right
    now so I'll lose this post if I don't put it up before I can check for the actual
    word(s) that Fr. is seen using in his book) from time to time, so maybe that's
    a Spanish adaptation, which, if so, would perhaps explain why he is wont to
    accept "Revelation" in order to not appear too strange to any foreign
    readers who may come along, LIKE ME!


    Well, Apocalypse means just that, Revelation. It is its translation. In Spanish we usually say "Apocalipsis", but if you say "revelation" ("Revelación") it doesn´t mean anything.
    Now if in English that does mean something, then the translator should have taken care of that...


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    « Reply #17 on: August 02, 2013, 11:15:09 AM »
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  • Sorry for not posting sooner; internet in my area was down for a while.

    I intended to write "rejected". Because one becomes rejected by Our Lord for our unfaithfulness in our love for truth, doctrine. Is at the level of doctrine where we win or loss the battles for Our Lord. Because when Our Lord said: He who is not ashamed of  Me before man, I will not be ashamed of him before My Heavenly Father.

            I want to point out that Father Castellani has not been promoted by the SSPX in the last years, more than that, he has been abandonated, and there is a main reason why it is so.

             Father Leonardo Castellani sees not a temporal triumph of the Church beetween now and the 2nd Coming of Our Lord. The says that nowhere in the Apocalypse there is a mention of a temporal triumph, but on the contrary, the warning that even "the saints will be overcome". He rather places that triumph after Our Lord´s 2nd Coming, wherein it would fit the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the period of peace which, he says could be short or long, we do not know.

             This is a important point. Because the view of the SSPX of a coming triumph, even before the AntiChrist, causes them to be over optimistic about the whole crisis. Whereas the crisis, according to the Apocalypse, according to reality, and Fr. Castellani, will be worst and worst as time passes, ending with the Antichrist. And here our position in the Resistence, as very realistic, enters, because we do not see anywhere conversión or revival.

             For this reason the SSPX is not promoting the realistic views of Fr. Castellani, she wants to think that a "Spring time" in coming over the Church, using the very same words of Bishop Fellay.
    VIVA CRISTO REY!

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    « Reply #18 on: August 02, 2013, 03:24:36 PM »
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    Sorry for not posting sooner; internet in my area was down for a while.

    I intended to write "rejected". Because one becomes rejected by Our Lord for our unfaithfulness in our love for truth, doctrine. [It is] at the level of doctrine where we win or [lose] the battles for Our Lord.  [For] Our Lord said: He who is not ashamed of Me before man, I will not be ashamed of him before My Heavenly Father.

            I want to point out that Father Castellani has not been promoted by the SSPX in the last years, more than that, he has been [abandoned], and there is a main reason why it is so.

             Father Leonardo Castellani sees not [we would say, "he does not see"] a temporal triumph of the Church between now and the 2nd Coming of Our Lord.



    This is a most telling principle.  For it was in the time of Our Lord, too,
    when the Pharisees and the Sadducees did not want to see a spiritual
    triumph of Our Lord Jesus Christ, but a temporal triumph, that they
    crucified Him, or, that is, demanded that the Roman soldiers would do
    so lest the Jєωs would instigate a riot or 'ιnѕυrrєcтισn.'  And
    ironically, the man that they allowed to be released instead of Our Lord,
    Barabbas, was an ιnѕυrrєcтισnist! (Cf. Mk xv. 7)  It was like, "Either you
    release the ιnѕυrrєcтισnist and then get ιnѕυrrєcтισn, or else we will raise
    an ιnѕυrrєcтισn - but either way, Romans, YOU GET ιnѕυrrєcтισn!"

    And so too the Modernist Menzingens, demand of the Society priests,
    either you cooperate with our worldliness and therefore with the world,
    or else we'll release you from your SSPX prison and then we'll raise
    our ιnѕυrrєcтισn in the faith without you!

    The Jєωs rejected Our Lord in his day, because they wanted a temporal
    kingdom when He had proffered a spiritual kingdom.  The SSPX appears
    to be doing the same thing today, taking sides with the world, against
    the firm principles handed down to them by their own founder, ABL.


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    The [He] says that nowhere in the Apocalypse [is] there is a mention of a temporal triumph, but on the contrary, [is found there] the warning that even "the saints will be overcome" [cf. Apocalypse xiii. 7]. He rather places that triumph after Our Lord's 2nd Coming, wherein it would fit the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the period of peace which, he says could be short or long, we do not know.

             This is an important point. Because the view of the SSPX of a coming triumph, even before the AntiChrist, causes them to be over-optimistic about the whole crisis. Whereas the crisis, according to the Apocalypse, according to reality, and Fr. Castellani, will be [worse and worse] as time passes, ending with the Antichrist. And here [enters] our position in the [Resistance] as very realistic,  because we do not see anywhere conversión or revival.

             For this reason the SSPX is not promoting the realistic views of Fr. Castellani;  she wants to think that a "Spring time" [is] coming over the Church, using the very same words of Bishop Fellay.



    When Bishop Fellay talks like that he is regurgitating the
    words of JPII.  This is not new.  For over 30 years ago now, the
    Modernists in apostate Rome have been using this language,
    the "New Springtime" in the Church!  And what we
    have seen is not growth, but decay!


    This is a most interesting message, Enoc.  I hope you don't mind
    repairs of your spelling.  I don't mind doing that because it helps
    me to read what you're saying.  And I do want to understand it.


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    « Reply #19 on: August 02, 2013, 03:55:30 PM »
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    Father Leonardo Castellani sees not a temporal triumph of the Church between now and the 2nd Coming of Our Lord......... He rather places that triumph after Our Lord´s 2nd Coming, wherein it would fit the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the period of peace which, he says could be short or long, we do not know.



    I'm confused.......

    I thought the 2nd Coming of Our Lord was at the end of the world, not just the end of times that we are in right now, so a period of peace after His 2nd coming doesn't make much sense (unless you want to consider those in Heaven).

    I had rather envisioned something like the current Chastisement eventually leading up to the 3 days of darkness, then the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, when those who survive finally understand that Our Lord means business; followed by a period of peace as the world becomes Catholic, showing the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, perhaps a generation or two. Then all goes downhill again, due to our fallen nature, and ends with the 2nd Coming of Our Lord and the Final Judgment. Wasn't sure if The Anti-Christ fits in now with the Chastisement, or at the end just before the 2nd Coming.


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    « Reply #20 on: August 03, 2013, 03:48:37 AM »
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  • Dear friends,
    Be careful with Father Leonardo Castellani. He is one of the master of Fr Ceriani and radio cristiandad. There is good mixed with errors, if I have well understood. Difficult for me because it is in Spanish or in English and my langage is French. But, if I understand well, Fr Castellani thinks we are in the Church of Laodicea and so that the Antechrist is coming soon. It is wrong. We are in the Church of Sardis. We'll have first a little period of triumph with the Church of Philadelphia which is the period where the Jєωs will convert, and where nearly everybody will convert in the world. The Holy Virgin speaks about this period of triumph when she says that after the consecration of Russia a certain time of peace will be given to the world. And this period is also described in the Apocalypse : it is the half of an hour of silence with the 144000 elected. In the Apocalypse, the seven seals are connected with the seven churches. We are in the fifth seal and in the fith Church of Sardis.
     The sixth seal will happen to end the huge  crisis which is coming (III rd world war) and to open the Church of Philadelphia.

    But the seven trumpets have not begun yet, not even the first one. They are all for the Church of Laodicea. It is very clear in the text.

    However, it is true that the Church of Sardis can be considerated like a kind of preparation to what will happen in Church of Laodicea, but with no Antechrist. And we will have a nice period of time to breathe before that. It will be during this good period of time that we will have the Apostles of the last times predicted by Saint Louis Marie Grignon of Monfort.
    Enoch and Elie will arrive later, in the Church of Laodicea, to fight the Antechrist. But it is not for now yet.

     It is a problem to believe that we are in the last Church of Laodicea, because it leads to mistakes about Francis and about the actual situation of the Church. There are also a problems about millenarism. It is very easy to do mistakes about that subject. This is not the common interpretation of the Holy Scriptures and of the Church. And it makes souls unpeaceful to believe that we are close to end of the world when we are not.

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    « Reply #21 on: August 03, 2013, 02:42:22 PM »
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  • Enoc,

    I read one of Castellani's books available online last night and am now starting the second. You've done us a great service by bringing his work to our attention, hopefully more translations will follow.

    Happen to know anyone named Elijah?

    InDominoSperavi,

    Thanks for the advisory.
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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    « Reply #22 on: August 03, 2013, 04:30:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: reconquest

    Happen to know anyone named Elijah?



    I have one friend who named his son Elijah. I asked him why
    not use the Latin form, "Elias," and he said that the Bible he
    uses (RSV) says Elijah and so do his friends at church (he's
    in the Patrick Madrid crowd).  But Elijah shows a lot of signs
    of being a normal boy.  

    Then I have another friend WHO THINKS HE IS Elias.  
    That makes for a strained friendship, to say the least.  

    I told him, when Elias really does arrive, I don't think I'll
    have all these doubts.  

    I mean, if he's going to convince the whole world, I hope
    he doesn't have that much trouble convincing me!  


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    « Reply #23 on: August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PM »
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    But, if I understand well, Fr Castellani thinks we are in the Church of Laodicea and so that the Antechrist is coming soon. It is wrong. We are in the Church of Sardis.



    What makes you so sure that "we are in the Church of Sardis?"


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    « Reply #24 on: August 05, 2013, 12:15:55 PM »
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  • Following the studies of Fr. Castellani, who relies fully in the Fathers of the Church and in the common interpretation of the Apocalypse, we can conclude the following:

    We are in the Seventh Church, the seventh seal, the fifth trumpet, and the the fourth cup.

    The sixth trumpet will be a mayor war which will wipe out a thrird of the population of the earth. The seventh trumpet will be the Antichrist and the final and brutal persecution.

    The rest of the cups would posible be the cosmic events together with the brutal goverment of thAntichrist by which God will punish the earth.

    So what could possible follow will be: A mayor WW III, the coming of the Antichrist launched by the false prophet (Francisco I??). 3 years and a half of governing the world; and the second coming of Our Lord. After which would start the eternal triumph of Christh and the Immaculate Heart of Mary at all levels.

    Al this is not dogma, of course, but this would be, as a summary, the thoughts  that Fr. Castellani would have said about what remains to be fullfilled of the Apocalypse.

    The line of studies of Fr  Castellani on this topic is not heretical, nor , on the contrary,  hope and reality are the fruits of this great theologian. Supernatural hope that Our Lord is going to come soon, very soon.
    VIVA CRISTO REY!

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    « Reply #25 on: August 05, 2013, 05:27:47 PM »
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  • Neil, I'll try to answer tomorrow or soon. But in French, it is a whole article to show that, so in English, it is not simple for me. I'll come back as soon as possible.


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    « Reply #26 on: August 06, 2013, 02:13:29 PM »
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  •  I decided to study a little bit carefully the subject and to do an article, both in French and in English. So it will take a few days : Here is something that I give you in advance :
    Denzinger in English (go to number 2296)
    http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma.php
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    [Decree of the Holy Office, July 21, 1944]

    2296 In recent times on several occasions this Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office has been asked what must be thought of the system of mitigated Millenarianism, which teaches, for example, that Christ the Lord before the final judgment, whether or not preceded by the resurrection of the many just, will come visibly to rule over this world. The answer is: The system of mitigated Millenarianism cannot be taught safely.
    Latin :
    Systema Millenarismi mitigati tuto doceri non posse.

    This answer was confirmed by the Holy Father Pius XII, adds the French Denzinger in its N°3839
    http://catho.org/9.php?d=bxh#e5n

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    « Reply #27 on: September 21, 2013, 12:50:09 PM »
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  • I promised I tried to do an article to explain why I think that we are not in the church of Laodicea. I wanted to translate everything in English but unfortunately, I have not enough time to do it. So I put here a link to the article in French for those who are interested. On the right of my blog, you have google translate : you can choose your language in the list :
    spanish =espagnol
    english = anglais

    God bless you all.
    http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/08/apocalypse-sommes-nous-dans-leglise-de.html


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    « Reply #29 on: September 17, 2016, 01:14:35 AM »
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  • Fun thread, at a glance.  

    Noted for future reading.
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