Author Topic: Should SSPX accept the Prelature offer made by Pope Francis? (Read 7948 times)

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #40 on:** September 13, 2016, 12:41:21 AM »

Thank you for your response RogerThat. I thought this subject would be better treated if it had its own thread, so I made a new thread entitled "Why a Deal Now with Pope Francis?". Please continue there.

Arvinger · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2016, 02:28:51 PM »

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Rome will never be transformed without tradition inside
of her. The other route is schism.

SSPX would have about as much influence on Rome as fart in a hurricane. In fact, SSPX has more leverage in the negotiation process than it will have once it is "inside." But transforming Rome isn't even on the table in these negotiations--it's all about where the nigger entrances are going to be for SSPXers and how many nigger water fountains they can have.

This. We have to define what we mean by "transformation". I think we all agree that transformation/conversion of Rome must include:

- nullifying Vatican II (and subsequent rejection of false ecuмenism, teaching on religious liberty etc.)
- abolishing the New Mass
- bringing back TLM worldwide
- Rome loudly preaching the necessity of Social Reign of Jesus Christ
- Rome loudly preaching EENS

Can SSPX have at least a glimmer of realistic hope for bringing about these goals from within the Conciliar Church? Obviously, no. All they can do is to make the Latin Mass a bit more popular. The naivity of "SSPX changing Conciliar Rome from within" approach is shocking to me.

Personally I believe that it is almost impossible to restore Catholicism in Rome with ordinary means, it will probably happen after the chastisement from the Third Secret of Fatima/Three Days of Darkness (I hope I'm wrong though).

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2016, 03:16:08 PM »

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The naivity of "SSPX changing Conciliar Rome from within" approach is shocking to me.

In some cases, it's naivity. In others, it's false hope. In most, it's the compromising urge of "not wanting to be different" which they cowardly disguise as pridefully wanting to "make the church great again", as if human beings can combat the wiles of the devil and his henchmen, who occupy rome. Lest we forget, St Paul told us: "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." (Eph 6:12)

Incredulous · « **Reply #43 on:** September 15, 2016, 03:20:24 AM »

The final count in the 7-Day poll is 80% against a Francis Deal and 20% for it... with some of the latter conceding they voted for it, just to put an end to Bp. Fellay's Kabuki theater misery.

nctradcath · « **Reply #44 on:** September 15, 2016, 07:27:05 AM »

Best thread ever. I especially enjoyed the invocation to the false Saint of Opus Judei on how we should all be swindled.