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Mr G · « **on:** January 04, 2017, 04:23:10 PM »

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&en=es&en=UTF8

Here is Bishop Schneider talking about the SSPX situation:

"I am convinced that in the present circuмstances Msgr. Lefebvre would accept without hesitation the canonical proposal of a personal prelature "

"Mons. Lefebvre was a man with a deep sensus eclessiae "

"The 1988 episcopal ordinations did them because in conscience he thought he should do it, as an extreme act, but at the same time said that this situation should not be too long"

"If you canonically remain a long time, you risk losing a characteristic of the Catholic Church, which is to be subject to the Pope"

"We can not make our subjection to the Vicar of Christ depend on the person of the pope, this would not be Faith. You can not say I do not trust this Pope, I do not submit, I will wait until there is one that I like. This is not Catholic, it is not supernatural, it is more human. There is a lack of supernaturality and trust in the Divine Providence that God guides the Church. This is a danger for the FSSPX "

"I have asked Bishop Fellay not to delay acceptance any longer and have confidence in Providence, it is not viable to expect to have 100% certainties"

"I have a great desire that the SSPX be recognized and established as soon as possible in the normal structure of the Church, and that would be for the benefit of all, for them and for us. It would really be a new force in this great battle for the purity of the Faith "

"I told Monsignor Fellay: Monsignor, we need your presence to go together with all the good forces of the Church, to have that union"

TRADITIONAL MASS

"The movement for the restoration of the traditional mass is the work of the Holy Spirit, and it is unstoppable"

"If the parents of Vatican II will witness today a mass as we know it today and a traditional mass, most would say that the traditional one is the one they wanted and not the other"

"The traditional liturgy is, in a way, the liturgy of Vatican II, perhaps with minor modifications"

Stubborn · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2017, 04:44:37 PM »

Load of baloney.

For a dose of reality. This is a repost of Fr. Wathen's sermon regarding +ABL given a few days after +ABL was excommunicated.

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2017, 06:21:35 PM »

:scratchchin: Oh, I get it...!

Bp Schneider said:

"I told Monsignor Fellay: Monsignor, we need your presence to go together with all the good forces of the Church, to have that union"

josefamenendez · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2017, 12:19:07 AM »

Bishop Schneider's diocese is headquartered in Astana, Kazakastan which has been built as a model for the "One World Religion" and ecuмenical site. You don't hear much about this in relationship to Bishop Schneider- just that he is a "conservative, orthodox" NO Bishop...but he lives in a very strange place.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-astana-khazakhstan/

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2017, 02:15:41 AM »

From CI thread in the Crisis in the Church section :"Mr. Guimaraes Doubts about the Cardinals Dubia":

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With the increase of speed in the Bergoglian Revolution, which was set up by none other than Benedict XVI, the number of reactions against Pope Francis is growing. Recently even a newspaper like The Wall Street Journal labeled him “the leader of the global left.”

To catalyze these reactions, nothing could be more convenient than the emergence of a religious false right that would draw together all the discontent conservatives in the Church and prevent them from seeking an authentic leadership and possibly become traditionalists.

This is what seems to be the goal of the four Cardinals, principally of Card. Burke, who is the most expressive and outspoken member of the group. His principal acolyte in the public arena is Bishop Schneider, whose role in the false right I have already analyzed.

If this is true, which I believe it is, then this would explain why the Dubia were written with the certainty that it would not have an answer. Its goal would be to simply put Francis in an embarrassing position. But in reality the writers would be playing the same the game, allowing Francis to advance with a controlled reaction.

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2017, 04:36:00 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

From CI thread in the Crisis in the Church section :"Mr. Guimaraes Doubts about the Cardinals Dubia":

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With the increase of speed in the Bergoglian Revolution, which was set up by none other than Benedict XVI, the number of reactions against Pope Francis is growing. Recently even a newspaper like The Wall Street Journal labeled him “the leader of the global left.”

To catalyze these reactions, nothing could be more convenient than the emergence of a religious false right that would draw together all the discontent conservatives in the Church and prevent them from seeking an authentic leadership and possibly become traditionalists.

This is what seems to be the goal of the four Cardinals, principally of Card. Burke, who is the most expressive and outspoken member of the group. His principal acolyte in the public arena is Bishop Schneider, whose role in the false right I have already analyzed.

If this is true, which I believe it is, then this would explain why the Dubia were written with the certainty that it would not have an answer. Its goal would be to simply put Francis in an embarrassing position. But in reality the writers would be playing the same the game, allowing Francis to advance with a controlled reaction.

Perfect!

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2017, 04:37:15 AM »

Quote from: josefamenendez

Bishop Schneider's diocese is headquartered in Astana, Kazakastan which has been built as a model for the "One World Religion" and ecuмenical site. You don't hear much about this in relationship to Bishop Schneider- just that he is a "conservative, orthodox" NO Bishop...but he lives in a very strange place.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-astana-khazakhstan/

Important find. Let's try to peel the onion on Bp.Schneider's one world background.

Mr G · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2017, 06:37:46 AM »

Here is the response from Non Possumus website, please go to the site to see the photo which sums up everything!

https://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&en=es&en=UTF8

I would like to focus on some of the bishop's comments.
First:

"I am convinced that under present circuмstances Monsignor Lefebvre would accept without hesitation the canonical proposal of a personal prelature."
"The 1988 episcopal ordinations did them because in conscience he thought he should do it, as an extreme act, that he suffered, and for that reason he said that this situation should not take long."

These statements are an insult to the Archbishop. Bishop Schneider simply does not know the man on whose behalf he claims to speak.
Nonsense! The Archbishop did nothing "extreme" in consecrating four bishops.
It seems necessary to remind our readers that when asked if he had any "doubts" or "remorse" for what he did, Archbishop Lefebvre. Responded by saying : "No, not at all. I think everything that happened was raised in a truly providential and almost miraculous way. " "I think, therefore, that there should be no hesitation or scruples about episcopal consecrations."

Monsignor Schneider's comment that Monsignor Lefebvre "said that this situation would not last long" also deserves scrutiny. And his statement that "If a long time remains canonically autonomous, enter at risk of losing a typically Catholic feature, which is subject to the Pope".
The Archbishop did not believe any of these things. In fact, the opposite said in 1990:
We should not have any illusions. We are fighting a battle supported by a whole line of potatoes. Therefore, we should not hesitate or fear, doubts such as: "Why should we remain on our own? After all, why not join Rome, why not join the pope? "Yes, if Rome and the Pope were aligned in the Tradition, if they were carrying out the work of all the Popes of the 19th century and first half Of the 20th century, of course. Then we should not worry. We must first of all trust in the grace of God.
What is going to happen? When will all this end? That is a secret of God. A mystery, but we must fight against the ideas currently fashionable in Rome, which come from the mouth of the Pope, the mouth of Cardinal Ratzinger, Cardinal Casaroli, Cardinal Willebrands and those who are like them. It is clear, because all they do is repeat the opposite of what the popes have said and solemnly established for the last 150 years. It is clear, therefore, we should not hesitate for a moment.
Monsignor Lefebvre believed that "we should not worry" about not being with those who betray the Tradition. We must "trust the grace of God" and "fight against the ideas currently fashionable in Rome" for as long as they persist. We should not "hesitate for a moment" because it is a "secret of God" how everything will end.
Monsignor Lefebvre would also disagree with the belief that being "autonomous for a long time" carries "the risk of losing a characteristic of the Catholic Church."
It should be noted that in 2003 Father Jean Violette, then District Superior of Canada, condemned Fr. Aulagnier, a priest of the Fraternity at that time, because he believed that there was a danger of not being "canonically regularized" by Rome . Read the letter P. Violette here .

. Two quotes over Mons Schneider deserve attention:

"I have a great desire that the SSPX be recognized and established as soon as possible in the normal structure of the Church, and that would be for the benefit of all, for them and for us. It would really be a new force in this great battle for the purity of the Faith "

"I told Monsignor Fellay: Monsignor, we need your presence to go together with all the good forces of the Church, to have that union"

While it is heartening that Bishop Schneider frequently talks about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, modernism and many other evils that affect the Church today, he is the one who needs to return to full communion with Tradition and all the Popes of the past. Moreover, his "great desire" should not be that Rome regularize the Fraternity. It should be that modernist Rome repents of its blasphemous ways and reestablishes itself within the regular structure of Eternal Rome.

The Bishop's observations about "joining forces" demonstrate a kind of naturalistic thinking that minimizes the supernatural battle. In fact, if, as Bishop Schneider says, traditionalists will be better able to bring about change once the SSPX is "regularized", then the modernists are dumber than they seem. Honestly, would Pope Francis really take steps that would enable his theological enemies to coordinate in such a way that ultimately would lead to the disappearance not only of progressive Catholicism but possibly of Vatican II? He and his liberal allies are not so naive.

Monsignor Lefebvre said that there are "certain faithful, who are very good people, who accepted the consecrations but who have a repentance in the deep: they are no longer with the people who used to be, people who did not accept the consecrations, which are now in Our against "Of these people, the Archbishop said:" Are they going to join us and work with us "? Or are they going to "take a different path to keep the company of liberals left us?" Mons. Schneider, as the leaders of the SSPX, they need to decide. Are they going to join the Archbishop or go another way? I know who I am. And you?

nctradcath · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2017, 07:41:11 AM »

He is not a real bishop. The above is a joke.

josefamenendez · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2017, 09:28:55 AM »

Bishop Schneider used to be a Bergoglian "good cop" ( see article) Definitely a one-world-church guy at the time. Unfortunately the universal church he is talking about is not Catholic.
Now, he seems to be the empathetic "traditional-leaning" Bishop. Apparently "they" needed him switched to a Bergoglio "bad cop" position. Whatever it takes to do the job....the job being getting control over the XSPX under Francis' and the curia's boot. Notice how he never gets any bad press from either side - not that I have seen anyway.( aside from a rare blog)

The conservative NO church just loves him!

http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/04/bishop-athanasius-schneiders-will-save.html

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2017, 02:28:58 PM »

Yes, definitely a Judas Goat. Why isn't he in his own diocese promoting and implementing his beloved Summorum Pontificuм?
He may be Francis instrument to finish them once fully "reconciled".
Look what Francis just did to cardinal Muller demanding he fires three of his best priests in the CDF without any explanation, except: "I'm the pope, I don't need to explain". One of the three priests was reported to have criticized him.
Does +Fellay want to tie a rope around his neck? Or give up tradition entirely? Remains to be seen.

cosmas · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2017, 01:27:31 PM »

The ARIAN HERESY lasted 70 yrs. We are not even close yet. At what point in time will Pius x Society lose its Catholic Characteristic ? HOGWASH ! We have examples from all the other Traditional Groups what Rome thinks about them. Since 1988 Rome has only gotten worse. They even dismantled their own,FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE. Bishop Fellay needs to take the blinders off and quit playing ping pong with Rome. Let them have more time to come back to Tradition. The Society went NO WHERE. ROME went into schism at Vatican II. While i'm at it , why did the society get its suppose excommunication lifted ? They 've written books and argued how they were never excommunicated. Why weren't Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer's names not mentioned in the supposed lifting of the excommunications ?

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2017, 01:55:24 PM »

Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora

Why isn't he in his own diocese promoting and implementing his beloved Summorum Pontificuм?

He doesn't have a diocese. He's an auxiliary bishop whose authority is limited to assisting the ordinary. Frankly, he has very little chance under Bergoglio of ever being appointed to be the ordinary of any See.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2017, 02:22:12 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora
Why isn't he in his own diocese promoting and implementing his beloved Summorum Pontificuм?

He doesn't have a diocese. He's an auxiliary bishop whose authority is limited to assisting the ordinary. Frankly, he has very little chance under Bergoglio of ever being appointed to be the ordinary of any See.

And knowing that, the bishop urges +Fellay “not to delay acceptance any longer”? What does he think +Fellay will do once the SSPX is “fully recognized” if not suffer the same fate of the religious orders Francis has already destroyed? It seems to me that he should be advising +Fellay not to do it and try to join the SSPX but he thinks the SSPX has no right to do what they have been doing even under Francis. He says some good things but without conviction. He is a duck in his own pond and wants +Fellay and the SSPX in it. Maybe he will earn a promotion then? Or, run the SSPX himself?

Incredulous · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2017, 04:28:50 PM »

Quote from: cosmas

Bishop Fellay needs to take the blinders off and quit playing ping pong with Rome. Let them have more time to come back to Tradition. The Society went NO WHERE. ROME went into schism at Vatican II. While i'm at it , why did the society get its suppose excommunication lifted ? They 've written books and argued how they were never excommunicated. Why weren't Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer's names not mentioned in the supposed lifting of the excommunications ?

You've hit on the crux of Menzingen's marketing problem.

They've yielded already to the modernist, but don't want their faithful to know it.

Bp. Fellay and his German "Public Relations" czar, Fr. Wegner, know they'll lose their "trad-market" unless they play their cards exactly right.

Surrendering their traditional Catholic positions, doesn't matter now. It's all about appearances.

In marketing terms, Bp Fellay and Fr. Wegner are trying to credibly position the SSPX as the"High Church" segment of the Consiliar church.