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Offline Venantius0518

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Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #270 on: August 10, 2020, 05:01:18 PM »
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  • I don’t think he was raised that way, but maybe he was a childhood liar and it wasn’t caught, so it developed into a vice.  PTM encourages him in wrong-doing.
    I suspect it is more from PTM than just encouragement


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #271 on: August 10, 2020, 05:49:20 PM »
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  • When I saw him offer Mass as a priest in 2007, I was horrified at how irreverent his Low Mass was. To this day I haven't seen a priest who raced through a Mass nearly as fast. He sounded like a two-bit auctioneer.

    I think Seraphina is on to something. A deep flaw was never properly addressed in this man, probably from before he entered the seminary. Hindsight is... what it is... but looking back I suspect he never had an actual vocation. Considering all the damage he's done, it would have been better had he never been a priest at all.

    Pablo may turn out to be his just reward for a career bent on building his own cult of personality. He certainly aided the "cult" aspect.
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #272 on: August 10, 2020, 08:15:58 PM »
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  • You posted this just as I was writing my own response.  We're on the same page here.  There's a very fine line between seeking episcopal consecration for the genuine good of souls and seeking it for one's own personal glory.  And the devil is very skilled at blurring this line, convincing a person seeking out of self-will that it's actually being done for the good of souls.
    A thought (hopefully not too evil a thought):  If I were GOD (thank GOD I am NOT)  I would walk around and pretty much every one I saw, good bad or indifferent ( me too), I would light on fire and let them burn until Judgement day, not dying until, which would be in about a million years.
    If  GOD made me pope, I'd get Bishops Kelly, Sanborn, Dolan, Pivarunas & Williamson to conditionally ordain and consecrate me so there would be no doubts, then excommunicate the whole rest of the Nervous Ordeal until they submitted to re-education and ordination, then clean up this mess.  Have a nice bottle of Chianti subsequently.
    If GOD made me fuehrer of this mess of the United States at this moment, I'd blast the whole world with Nukes. Kill 'em All, GOD knows his own.  Kind of feelin' a bit acerbic this evening. 
    Sad this crisis in the world today.  Gotta go say the family ROSARY now. 

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #273 on: August 10, 2020, 08:31:15 PM »
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  • A thought (hopefully not too evil a thought):  If I were GOD (thank GOD I am NOT)  I would walk around and pretty much every one I saw, good bad or indifferent ( me too), I would light on fire and let them burn until Judgement day, not dying until, which would be in about a million years.
    If  GOD made me pope, I'd get Bishops Kelly, Sanborn, Dolan, Pivarunas & Williamson to conditionally ordain and consecrate me so there would be no doubts, then excommunicate the whole rest of the Nervous Ordeal until they submitted to re-education and ordination, then clean up this mess.  Have a nice bottle of Chianti subsequently.
    If GOD made me fuehrer of this mess of the United States at this moment, I'd blast the whole world with Nukes. Kill 'em All, GOD knows his own.  Kind of feelin' a bit acerbic this evening.  
    Sad this crisis in the world today.  Gotta go say the family ROSARY now.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #274 on: August 10, 2020, 08:36:10 PM »
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  • When I saw him offer Mass as a priest in 2007, I was horrified at how irreverent his Low Mass was. To this day I haven't seen a priest who raced through a Mass nearly as fast. He sounded like a two-bit auctioneer.

    I think Seraphina is on to something. A deep flaw was never properly addressed in this man, probably from before he entered the seminary. Hindsight is... what it is... but looking back I suspect he never had an actual vocation. Considering all the damage he's done, it would have been better had he never been a priest at all.

    Pablo may turn out to be his just reward for a career bent on building his own cult of personality. He certainly aided the "cult" aspect.
    You must have never seen the low mass of Fr. Asher.  20 min.  I kid you not.
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    Yes, I am sure Seraphina is on to something, too, but I think it is more related to his unnatural attachment to Paul Hernandez, "lay exorcist", "pablo the mexican".
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    Fr. Pfeiffer has much too much pride, as evidenced in his searching for consecration these last eight years, at least.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #275 on: August 10, 2020, 10:59:15 PM »
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  • I have been told that:

    Concerning Fr Pfeiffer's consecration, Fr Hewko does not seem to be correct on Abp Lefebvre's views on
    Abp Thuc. Mr Lundberg, a Lutheran scholar and professor on Christianity, takes an interest in the
    Catholic Traditional movement.


    https://magnuslundberg.net/2016/05/11/schism-at-palmar-palmarian-bishops/

    Opinions?

    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #276 on: August 10, 2020, 11:21:19 PM »
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  • You must have never seen the low mass of Fr. Asher.  20 min.  I kid you not.
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    Yes, I am sure Seraphina is on to something, too, but I think it is more related to his unnatural attachment to Paul Hernandez, "lay exorcist", "pablo the mexican".
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    Fr. Pfeiffer has much too much pride, as evidenced in his searching for consecration these last eight years, at least.

    Way too fast, but the Piper wasn't far behind!

    Back to the OLMC, those two definitely feed off of each other. My stance has always been that the guilt lies less with the wolf than the false shepherd who lets him through the gate deliberately. The much higher calling and station of Fr. Pfeiffer makes him the lightning rod. The Mexican could definitely pass as a Wormtongue, but if someone's expecting a good King Theoden to pop out here once the spell is "broken", they're sadly mistaken. This is not a parasitic relationship. What it is, is symbiotic.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #277 on: August 11, 2020, 07:16:38 AM »
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  • Hopefully his episcopal orders are valid and even more hopefully he wont bring the Traditional Catholic movement into any disrepute.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #278 on: August 11, 2020, 09:01:22 AM »
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  • I have been told that:

    Concerning Fr Pfeiffer's consecration, Fr Hewko does not seem to be correct on Abp Lefebvre's views on
    Abp Thuc. Mr Lundberg, a Lutheran scholar and professor on Christianity, takes an interest in the
    Catholic Traditional movement.


    https://magnuslundberg.net/2016/05/11/schism-at-palmar-palmarian-bishops/

    Opinions?
    Very interesting.
    Fr. Hewko once told me he accepted the ab Thuc lineage 100%  and Fr. Pfeiffer told me he rejected it 100%. 
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    The Thuc lineage is squishy.   That is why many stay away from it.  Much due diligence is required.
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    An interesting point in the article:
    "According to Clemente, referring to heavenly messages, the church was in a state of emergency and there was no time for a lengthy education. "
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    Sounds an awful lot like Fr. Pfeiffer's excuses...

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #279 on: August 11, 2020, 09:07:17 AM »
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  • Way too fast, but the Piper wasn't far behind!

    Back to the OLMC, those two definitely feed off of each other. My stance has always been that the guilt lies less with the wolf than the false shepherd who lets him through the gate deliberately. The much higher calling and station of Fr. Pfeiffer makes him the lightning rod. The Mexican could definitely pass as a Wormtongue, but if someone's expecting a good King Theoden to pop out here once the spell is "broken", they're sadly mistaken. This is not a parasitic relationship. What it is, is symbiotic.

    While Fr. Pfeiffer initially gave control of himself over to PTM, just as the "seminarians" have given themselves, mind, body, and soul, over to Pfeiffer, there is no doubt in my mind that they are all bewitched by the warlock.
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    The deepest pits of hell, as well as the roads in hell, are filled with the souls of priests and bishops.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #280 on: August 11, 2020, 09:10:08 AM »
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  • Hopefully his episcopal orders are valid
    The consecration is not valid until Fr. Pfeiffer proves it is valid.

    and even more hopefully he wont bring the Traditional Catholic movement into any disrepute.
    Too late....




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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #281 on: August 11, 2020, 09:19:56 AM »
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  • I could see a priest, in some cases, offer Mass quickly ... for the benefit of the faithful.  Let's say you have an early morning Mass and people need to be at work soon afterwards.  Priests are taught that the Mass is not their own persona prayer time, but the public prayer of the Church, and also offered for the benefit of the faithful (except at private Masses).  Now, with that said, you can't give the impression of being irreverent and sloppy ... for the same reason, that it's the public prayer of the Church.  So a balance must be found between length and reverence.  If I'm a priest, I can't just go off and decide to mediate for 15 minutes during the middle of the Canon right before the consecration or something (yes, I know, some saints were drawn into ecstatic states, but those are special cases) ... making people late for work or else forcing parents to deal with antsy toddlers for an extended period of time.

    As a priest, I might WANT to take my time and read the entire Mass slowly while meditating on each phrase, but I make the sacrifice of not doing my own will but instead doing what's in the best interests of the faithful.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #282 on: August 11, 2020, 12:51:37 PM »
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  • I could see a priest, in some cases, offer Mass quickly ... for the benefit of the faithful.  Let's say you have an early morning Mass and people need to be at work soon afterwards.  Priests are taught that the Mass is not their own persona prayer time, but the public prayer of the Church, and also offered for the benefit of the faithful (except at private Masses).  Now, with that said, you can't give the impression of being irreverent and sloppy ... for the same reason, that it's the public prayer of the Church.  So a balance must be found between length and reverence.  If I'm a priest, I can't just go off and decide to mediate for 15 minutes during the middle of the Canon right before the consecration or something (yes, I know, some saints were drawn into ecstatic states, but those are special cases) ... making people late for work or else forcing parents to deal with antsy toddlers for an extended period of time.

    As a priest, I might WANT to take my time and read the entire Mass slowly while meditating on each phrase, but I make the sacrifice of not doing my own will but instead doing what's in the best interests of the faithful.
    Sure, but a 20 min mass CANNOT be said reverently, nor can the laity participate at all. 
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    But just because a mass is said slowly does not mean it is reverent.  I recall Fr. Pazat, sspx.  He would heave a loud heavy sigh before each sentence of the mass.  The mass took a long time, but it was the most irreverent mass I have ever been to.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #283 on: August 11, 2020, 01:40:22 PM »
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  • You must have never seen the low mass of Fr. Asher.  20 min.  I kid you not.
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    It be the fastest Mass in the West!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #284 on: August 11, 2020, 02:02:40 PM »
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  • Sure, but a 20 min mass CANNOT be said reverently, nor can the laity participate at all.
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    But just because a mass is said slowly does not mean it is reverent.  I recall Fr. Pazat, sspx.  He would heave a loud heavy sigh before each sentence of the mass.  The mass took a long time, but it was the most irreverent mass I have ever been to.

    I did know a priest who could say a reasonably-reverent Mass in about 25.  20 would be a stretch.