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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2020, 04:05:50 PM »
In Sacramentum Ordinis, Pope Pius XII declared:

"The form consists of the words of the “Preface,” of which the following are essential and therefore required for validity:

'Comple in Sacerdote tuo ministerii tui summam, et ornamentis totius glorificationis instructum coelestis unguenti rore santifica.'
['Perfect in Thy priest the fullness of thy ministry and, clothing him in all the ornaments of spiritual glorification, sanctify him with the Heavenly anointing.']  
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12sacrao.htm

If any of these words are missing, the consecration is invalid.

If therefore it is true that the consecrator botched "ministerii tui summam" (instead saying "mysterii tui sanum," which is nonsensical) as reported by Ladialaus, then...

Note that I have not listened to the essential form in this consecration yet, so I am just commenting on what is the case if Ladislaus's hearing is correct.

But as stated previously, for me the doubtful validity of the consecrating bishop was already a critical impediment.

Now there is a concern regarding the recitation of the essential form as well.

That's what I heard after listening to it repeatedly.  He was obviously strumbling, tripping up, losing his place, etc.

At the end of the day, this doesn't mean too much to me because I already had issues based on the dubious ordination to the priesthood of Bishop Terrasson.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2020, 04:05:57 PM »
For once I agree with you.
That's great I guess, but I'm a bit disturbed that this is the only time you agree with me. I'm sure Rachel Maddow would agree with me that Fr. Pfeiffer's operation is messed up.


Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2020, 04:07:11 PM »
So putting it altogether, here's what he said:
Comple in Sacerdote tuo sacerdotibus tuis misteri misterii tui e tui sanum et ornamentis totius glori-fi-cationis instructum ecce structis [5 second pause] coe-coe-coelestis ungumenti rorari sanctifica.

compared with the actual form.
Comple in Sacerdote tuo ministerii tui summam, et ornamentis totius glorificationis instructum coelestis unguenti rore sanctifica.
These are very different.  Where might he have gotten the additional words?

Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2020, 04:09:31 PM »
So far I listened to the first half of the video and watched much of it. As one who is unlearned, from listening to the way they spoke, it seemed like the ministers involved in the ceremony did not know enough Latin to really understand what they were saying.

Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2020, 04:20:36 PM »
So far I listened to the first half of the video and watched much of it. As one who is unlearned, from listening to the way they spoke, it seemed like the ministers involved in the ceremony did not know enough Latin to really understand what they were saying.
I think I would agree with you.  
Bottom line is, he tried to say the words he was supposed to.  The fact that they came out wrong, I think, doesn't matter.
In all likelihood, as much as we may not like it, fr. Pfeiffer is probably now b. Pfeiffer. 
Would I receive sacraments from him?
Not unless I was dying...