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Offline Merry

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Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #255 on: August 05, 2020, 06:50:15 PM »
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  • Who is in that avatar that "469 Pipefitter" uses with those YouTube postings? 
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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #256 on: August 05, 2020, 08:04:47 PM »
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  • Who is in that avatar that "469 Pipefitter" uses with those YouTube postings?

    I was actually thinking the same thing. Who are these people?

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #257 on: August 05, 2020, 11:24:37 PM »
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  • I was actually thinking the same thing. Who are these people?



    Looks like an old photo of Pabs and his wife/girlfriend from about 25 years ago.
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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #258 on: August 06, 2020, 07:46:38 AM »
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  • Looks like an old photo of Pabs and his wife/girlfriend from about 25 years ago.
    It's PtM and one of his daughters.  Yes it's a very old photo.  

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #259 on: August 06, 2020, 08:56:16 AM »
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  • Pablo told me it was his wife.  Well, his legal ex-wife but he still considers her his wife.  Funny he would say that and yet treat the Blaszak residence as his own, walking in at all hours of the day and night, drinking with Mrs. Blaszak, while she was still married but noticing with her husband, to all hours of the night. 


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #260 on: August 06, 2020, 08:58:44 AM »
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    I'm not so sure.  
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    Why would Menzingen waste their time fanning a self-fueling fire?  I mean, Boston conceded to and accepted Ambrose Moran.
    Exactly.  OLMC is their own worst enemy.  One scandal after another.  How many souls will lose their Faith due to the actions of Boston?

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #261 on: August 07, 2020, 01:22:58 PM »
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  • Well, let's just say this:

    My understanding is that when the SSPX receives a refugee from the conciliar church, it conducts an investigation into the priest's ordination (which in turn evolves into an investigation of the consecrating bishop).  

    In the absence of a recording of the ordination, where such a bishop is known to habitually violate the form of the sacrament (among other reasons), the SSPX would probably (at least formerly) conditionally ordain.

    That modus operandi seems to imply that they believe an invalid sacrament in one instance could imply invalidity for the same reasons in other instances.

    So my answer to your question is a big fat "maybe" (i.e., I am not sure), but I am inclined to say yes, with a big asterisk*

    * Because perhaps his mangling was the result of a new eye problem, whereas before he was very careful and precise?
    If his mangling of the essential words was just caused by a new health or eye issue that didn't exist during previous ordinations, then I think it might be safe to say there aren't reasons to let this botched attempt at consecrating reflect upon previous ordinations.  

    It seems, though, that this recent failure was due more to general incompetence and negligence.  It appears he's not trained and competent enough to be doing what he's doing, and that he was negligent in taking the proper care to learn the essential form.  This was the most important and serious thing he could ever attempt to do as a bishop, and he didn't even practice enough to make sure it was done validly.  This would seem to reflect on his two previous ordinations, and be reason to doubt whether he was competent and careful enough in those.  If Webster's own orders are valid, I'd still want to see video of any attempts he made of ordaining priests before I was certain I could receive valid sacraments from them.
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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #262 on: August 08, 2020, 09:32:17 AM »
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  • If his mangling of the essential words was just caused by a new health or eye issue that didn't exist during previous ordinations, then I think it might be safe to say there aren't reasons to let this botched attempt at consecrating reflect upon previous ordinations.  

    It seems, though, that this recent failure was due more to general incompetence and negligence.  It appears he's not trained and competent enough to be doing what he's doing, and that he was negligent in taking the proper care to learn the essential form.  This was the most important and serious thing he could ever attempt to do as a bishop, and he didn't even practice enough to make sure it was done validly.  This would seem to reflect on his two previous ordinations, and be reason to doubt whether he was competent and careful enough in those.  If Webster's own orders are valid, I'd still want to see video of any attempts he made of ordaining priests before I was certain I could receive valid sacraments from them.
    Good point.
    And I would want to see the uncut video of the conditional consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer before I will accept him as a bishop or accept any major orders he confects.
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    I sure wish the 4 bishops would speak up regarding this mess.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #263 on: August 08, 2020, 10:09:00 AM »
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    I sure wish the 4 bishops would speak up regarding this mess.
    This is imperative surely!
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #264 on: August 08, 2020, 12:44:23 PM »
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  • Whether it was invalid or a valid forced consecration, this entire operation does not have the blessings of God. Pfeiffer has been employing evil tactics, enabling evil men, and doing everything in his power for his power for the better part of a decade. He's an evil man. Avoid, get out, stay away, don't go near... caveat fidelis!
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #265 on: August 08, 2020, 03:39:07 PM »
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  • Whether it was invalid or a valid forced consecration, this entire operation does not have the blessings of God. Pfeiffer has been employing evil tactics, enabling evil men, and doing everything in his power for his power for the better part of a decade. He's an evil man. Avoid, get out, stay away, don't go near... caveat fidelis!
    Absolutely correct.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #266 on: August 08, 2020, 10:16:41 PM »
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  • Can.  1044 §1. The following are irregular for the exercise of orders received:
    2/ a person who has committed a delict mentioned in ⇒ can. 1041, n. 2, if the delict is public;

    Can.  1041 The following are irregular for receiving orders:
    2/ a person who has committed the delict of apostasy, heresy, or schism;

    Fr. Pfeiffer said Webster is a heretic.

    Can.  1045 Ignorance of the irregularities and impediments does not exempt from them.

    Can. 1047 §2. Dispensation from the following irregularities and impediments to receive orders is also reserved to the Apostolic See:
    1/ irregularities from the public delicts mentioned in ⇒ can. 1041, nn. 2 and 3

    Seems to me Webster had no right to confect any sacrament.  

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #267 on: August 09, 2020, 12:44:57 AM »
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  • Can.  1044 §1. The following are irregular for the exercise of orders received:
    2/ a person who has committed a delict mentioned in ⇒ can. 1041, n. 2, if the delict is public;

    Can.  1041 The following are irregular for receiving orders:
    2/ a person who has committed the delict of apostasy, heresy, or schism;

    Fr. Pfeiffer said Webster is a heretic.

    Can.  1045 Ignorance of the irregularities and impediments does not exempt from them.

    Can. 1047 §2. Dispensation from the following irregularities and impediments to receive orders is also reserved to the Apostolic See:
    1/ irregularities from the public delicts mentioned in ⇒ can. 1041, nn. 2 and 3

    Seems to me Webster had no right to confect any sacrament.  
    I called Pfeiffer on the phone and he seems to have had a double standard with Webster where he regarded him as Catholic

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #268 on: August 09, 2020, 08:09:05 AM »
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  • I called Pfeiffer on the phone and he seems to have had a double standard with Webster where he regarded him as Catholic
    Of course he did.  
    He considers Moran Catholic, too.
    The end always justifies the means in Fr. Pfeiffer's mind.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #269 on: August 09, 2020, 03:16:22 PM »
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  • Of course he did.  
    He considers Moran Catholic, too.
    The end always justifies the means in Fr. Pfeiffer's mind.
    I don’t think he was raised that way, but maybe he was a childhood liar and it wasn’t caught, so it developed into a vice.  PTM encourages him in wrong-doing.