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Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2025, 07:39:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2025, 12:52:34 PM
    No, I underestimate nothing.  I weigh Pablo against the harm done to souls not receiving valid Sacraments, and don't believe those souls should be punished even more on account of Pablo.  Just have a look at all the young men participating in Bishop Williamson's or Bishop Webster's funerals, mostly all of good faith and sincerity ... and you go tell them they can't receive valid Sacraments and so potentially go to Hell for eternity ... because Pablo.  Pablo seems to be some kind of mental obsession with some of you, so that perhaps that IS a sign of his spells having effect.
    Do you realize that most of the places he goes are within a stone's throw of an SSPX chapel? He goes to St. Mary's where there are plenty of valid options. Those individuals certainly don't see a validity problem. I rather doubt Bishop Pfeiffer would even accept such an offer as it would involve an acknowledgement that there's a current problem and you know he's convinced everyone at his masses that he's the best option around.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #31 on: February 10, 2025, 08:20:42 PM »
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    I rather doubt Bishop Pfeiffer would even accept such an offer as it would involve an acknowledgement that there's a current problem
    Right.  All the reasons that +W and others stopped helping Fr P still exist.  And some things have gotten worse.  He’s not changed but simply doubled down on the insanity.  


    Sure, his sermon was nice but he’s a charmer and has the gift of eloquence.  Makes me trust him way less, knowing he conned so many in the past.  And it’s still happening.  

    I know a Trad family that goes to Pfeifferville.  Many people warned them not to.  We’ll hear of their horror stories at some point, once they wake up.  It’s a shame.  
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #32 on: February 10, 2025, 08:55:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on February 10, 2025, 07:39:18 PM
    I rather doubt Bishop Pfeiffer would even accept such an offer as it would involve an acknowledgement that there's a current problem and you know he's convinced everyone at his masses that he's the best option around.

    Not necessarily.  It's been done before, where clerics make concessions to conditionals for the sake of the faithful (it was done by several priests who felt their Orders were good, but who didn't want the faithful to be concerned for no reason, and +Lefebvre had asked some priests to receive conditionals under those terms as well.

    +?Pfeiffer could easily save face and say, "While I personally have no doubt about my Holy Orders, in order to restore a healthy working relationship between us and other Resistance groups, in which some have expressed doubts about the +Thuc line, we felt it most prudent to go ahead with these conditional Orders."  That would even spin the doubt to be more about the line in general rather than about +Webster's botching of the formula ...

    Admit it ... you guys are all about past bitterness and grudes, and can't put your egos aside for the good of souls, isn't that right, eh?  That's the bottom line, and it's sad.  Your speculation that +?Pfeiffer wouldn't be open to it should not stop +Zendejas from at least reaching out and attempting it.

    If +Zendejas were to make such a gesture, I would have a newfound respect for him.  If this stupid enmity continues unabated, without any attempt on his side to reach out and help the souls who might be without valid Sacraments, then I lose respect for him.  This is a test about whether he's functioning as a bishop out of genuine love for souls, and I see many on this thread are failing the analogous test, that they're more worried about petty politics than about savings souls.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #33 on: February 10, 2025, 08:58:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2025, 08:55:42 PM
    Admit it ... you guys are all about past bitterness and grudes, and can't put your egos aside for the good of souls, isn't that right, eh?  That's the bottom line, and it's sad.  Your speculation that +?Pfeiffer wouldn't be open to it should not stop +Zendejas from at least reaching out and attempting it.

    If +Zendejas were to make such a gesture, I would have a newfound respect for him.  If this stupid enmity continues unabated, without any attempt on his side to reach out and help the souls who might be without valid Sacraments, then I lose respect for him.  This is a test about whether he's functioning as a bishop out of genuine love for souls, and I see many on this thread are failing the analogous test, that they're more worried about petty politics than about savings souls.

    I'm sorry, pending what +Zendejas does now, this thread shows to me that Bishop? Pfeiffer is currently acting more like a Catholic than his detractors are.  He put all of his animosity and bitter contentions with Bishop Williamson aside to immediately (the next day) offer his Requiem Mass (with catafalque) and initiate the Gregorian Masses (and has halfway completed them), while the rest of the Resistance are trying to figure out where to take His Excellency's mortal remains ... for going on two weeks now.  By the time the funeral takes place, His Excellency very well will not even be in need of it, as the Gregorian Masses may very well have liberated him already from any Purgatory (per the pious tradition).
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #34 on: February 10, 2025, 09:11:56 PM »
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    • So ... the attitude of many (most?) Trads when a rival group has doubtful Sacraments.  Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong.  Father Pfeiffer once said some mean words to Bishop Williamson.  Father Dolan says the CMRI are not Old Catholics.  Oh, wait ... their Holy Orders and Sacraments are doubtful, so ...



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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #35 on: February 10, 2025, 09:32:12 PM »
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    Admit it ... you guys are all about past bitterness and grudes, and can't put your egos aside for the good of souls, isn't that right, eh?
    Ladislaus, your posts go to show that you don’t grasp/won’t accept the spiritual oddities/dangers which go on in Pfeifferville.  I think you need to search this site and re-read the many posts on the topic.  And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    This has nothing to do with +W vs Fr P.  People have been sounding the alarm about Pfeifferville for about 10 years.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #36 on: February 10, 2025, 09:38:42 PM »
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    • He who loves the danger will perish in it.

    Bishop Williamson and Zendejas are nobody's fool. They know more than enough to keep their distance, as do we all.

    It is necessary that a man be found faithful to be a prelate. That means being stable first of all. It also means you don't settle for the common denominator (or less!) for the sake of expediency. 

    Do not turn to the old argument used by the N.O. accordists for Pfeiffer's sake, "They are, or SHOULD BE valid! We must fly to them! Think of the children!"

    There would be no Pablo problem unless there was already a problem in Pfeiffer first. That is where all the other named problems come from as well.


    Perhaps you have seen, A Man for all Seasons:

    "Employ me! I would be faithful!"

    "Richard, you could not answer for yourself even so far as tonight."


    and again,


    "Is that final Father?"

    "As long as He's a (insert substandard noun here) Meg, that's absolute!"


    Pray for the prodigal son, but do not go near him until he returns in repentance. That's the most you can do.

    I hate to be blunt, but you know you are being carried away by emotion when you accuse all of us, and the Bishops, of being the problem when we don't accept someone you feel sympathy for, for reasons that would be more than enough in any other case.

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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #37 on: February 10, 2025, 10:11:05 PM »
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    • If we were talking about any other priest / bishop, I suspect many more would be in agreement with Lad's general idea. But, I think he's rather out-of-touch with how Bp/Fr Pfeiffer operates. I can leave Pablo out of the equation and I still think it's a fool's errand to bother seeing eye-to-eye with someone that has set aside truth for personal advancement.

    Exactly how would he explain to his parishioners that they should stay away from Bp Zendejas' masses if he agrees to be conditionally consecrated by him? It's an essential part of his MO to make sure his supporters don't think there's anything else available.

    I understand that it might be reasonable to accept the offer and then carry on decrying whomever the consecrating bishop is and instructing avoidance, but this group doesn't operate on rational thought. It's all emotion and working with "the enemy" would be contrary to the narrative.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #38 on: February 10, 2025, 10:20:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2025, 08:58:52 PM
    this thread shows to me that Bishop? Pfeiffer is currently acting more like a Catholic than his detractors are.  He put all of his animosity and bitter contentions with Bishop Williamson aside to immediately (the next day) offer his Requiem Mass (with catafalque) and initiate the Gregorian Masses (and has halfway completed them), while the rest of the Resistance are trying to figure out where to take His Excellency's mortal remains ... for going on two weeks now.
    I think Fr. Pfeiffer was just the only priest to publicize his Gregorian Masses.
    I definitely know resistance priests who started the 30 Masses the very next day and am 99 % sure a certain old SSPX priest did also.  Come to think of it maybe two.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #39 on: February 10, 2025, 10:33:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2025, 08:58:52 PM
    I'm sorry, pending what +Zendejas does now, this thread shows to me that Bishop? Pfeiffer is currently acting more like a Catholic than his detractors are.  He put all of his animosity and bitter contentions with Bishop Williamson aside to immediately (the next day) offer his Requiem Mass (with catafalque) and initiate the Gregorian Masses (and has halfway completed them), while the rest of the Resistance are trying to figure out where to take His Excellency's mortal remains ... for going on two weeks now.  By the time the funeral takes place, His Excellency very well will not even be in need of it, as the Gregorian Masses may very well have liberated him already from any Purgatory (per the pious tradition).
    So "Has YouTube Channel" = "More Catholic" ?
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #40 on: February 11, 2025, 12:16:50 AM »
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    • You know, the most common assessment of Fr. Pfeiffer is that he's a great speaker, very charismatic, and very convincing in the moment -- until you think about his words later and apply logic/reason, that is...

    Sounds like even Ladislaus got a bit swayed by him, after listening to him speak. But that's not an insult to Ladislaus, more like a testament to the swaying power of Fr. Pfeiffer's words.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #41 on: February 11, 2025, 09:47:59 AM »
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    • Bishop Zendejas has reason to be wary, both from the SSPX side and the "independent" resistors ( for lack of a better term) because he has been publicly criticized, sabotaged and maligned by both of these groups, along with Bishop Williamson. Forgiveness is one thing but trust is completely another.
    Maybe it's Fr Pfeiffer that needs to sincerely reform his situation (especially with the seminary) and with (profound) humility ask forgiveness. I'm sure Bishop Zendejas would respond to that (in time) 
    Also would "Bishop" Pfieffer ever take direction let alone constructive criticism from Bishop Zendejas, and if not why would Bishop Zendejas hook himself up with that mess?

    As far as Fr Hewko goes,  it appears his prior disagreement with Bishop Williamson has turned into a prideful hatred. He seems to have planted his flag on it. I don't know where you go with that.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #42 on: February 11, 2025, 10:07:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on February 11, 2025, 09:47:59 AM
    As far as Fr Hewko goes,  it appears his prior disagreement with Bishop Williamson has turned into a prideful hatred. He seems to have planted his flag on it. I don't know where you go with that.

    I'd like to point out again, some simplistic people (morons, I would call them) see two guys "fighting".
    I see a man walking to the store to buy medicine for his baby, and another man punches him unconscious, completely unprovoked. Sure, you could say there are "two parties" to this "fight". But, umm.... I wouldn't call that a fight. I'd call that a 100% guilty aggressor and 100% innocent victim situation.

    As Our Lord said, "Judge not according to appearances, but judge just judgment." Yes, it may APPEAR to be a fight, or garden variety strife -- but who is guilty? It does NOT "take two to tango". Not if one person just strikes the other out of the blue, with no cause. That's a one-sided attack, not a "fight" (implying 2 men are fighting with each other).

    To extend the analogy -- you wouldn't want to have anything to do with your attacker, unless he apologized or suggested (in some way) that he wasn't going to do it again! It would be foolish to let a man into your house who just knocked you out 2 hours ago, and has given *no* signs of apology or remorse -- no indication he won't do it again.

    I repeat what another CI member said: forgiveness is one thing, but TRUST (and prudence) is another.

    Are some Catholics so idiotic they aren't familiar with cases of various saintly men attracting the attention of demonic enemies? Men who follow them around, try to destroy them at every turn? This started with Our Lord, continued with many Saints, and continues to the present day. There ARE evil men who attack the good. Being a saint does NOT guarantee you will have no enemies. I shouldn't have to even say this; it should be common sense!

    And those enemies -- who hate the good WITHOUT CAUSE -- will result in fighting, strife, legal troubles, CONTROVERSY, and all sorts of nastiness -- 0% of which is the fault of the saintly victim.

    Look at Our Lord, Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson, and many others. The virtuous, upright, and saintly become lightning rods for the wicked to attack. A holy, God-fearing man is a "sign of contradiction" to the wicked world.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #43 on: February 11, 2025, 11:00:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 10, 2025, 10:42:04 AM
    I'm sorry, but you underestimate the influence of Pablo.  He's a self-admitted lay-exorcist; there's mounds of evidence/stories that he's into Santeria practices and he NEVER goes to church.  He's a walking scandal.  Why is he even involved in the "seminary" at all?  Until Fr P gets rid of him, then Fr P hasn't changed.  The spiritual dangers posed by Pablo are real.

      Embracing Joe Pfeiffer and his Santeria warlock master into the SSPX Resistance would be the “kill shot” the neo-SSPX has longed for.

    Lads and those agreeing with him don’t understand we are dealing with a Santeria warlock, who is deadly serious about cursing as many Resistance priests and faithful as he can get close too.

    It’s very obvious that they are flamingly naive about occult infestations.

    There must be a spell embedded in the Pfeifferville video.
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    Re: Bishop? Joseph Pfeiffer -- Tribute to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #44 on: February 11, 2025, 11:03:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on February 10, 2025, 10:20:45 PM
    I think Fr. Pfeiffer was just the only priest to publicize his Gregorian Masses.
    I definitely know resistance priests who started the 30 Masses the very next day and am 99 % sure a certain old SSPX priest did also.  Come to think of it maybe two.
    Yes, there is one. 
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