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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2024, 06:22:37 PM »
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    • I pray that he truly was of good will and converted in the end, but I’m very thankful that he isn’t able to give faithful Catholics fake oils or fake sacraments in the future.
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    « Reply #31 on: April 03, 2024, 06:29:09 PM »
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    I pray that he truly was of good will and converted in the end, but I’m very thankful that he is not able to give faithful Catholics fake oils in the future.
    Agree 100%. 

    For all those who argue that the new-sspx wasn't trying to use a new-bishop to infiltrate the society with fake oils, fake confirmations, etc...let's see how long it takes for the new-sspx to find a "new bishop convert" to join the group.  Methinks they thought Huonder wouldn't have such a short expiration date.

    If a new-bishops joins the ranks again, with no conditional consecration, and soon, then we'll know the Huonder experiment was planned.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #32 on: April 03, 2024, 07:59:17 PM »
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    • May God rest his soul.
    It is interesting to read these words on the SSPX site announcing his death:
    "...the Institut Sancta Maria, in Wangs, Switzerland, where he was able to spend his last years with the profound joy of shepherding souls."
    Yet we were assured, as a senior priest of the SSPX confirmed to me, that he was retiring to the SSPX just to spend his last years in prayer and recollection and would not be involved in the apostolate.
    It is gradualism in the SSPX. That is how the revolution triumphs by nullifying resistance.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #33 on: April 04, 2024, 06:54:01 AM »
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    • :pray:
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #34 on: April 04, 2024, 08:13:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 03, 2024, 06:29:09 PM
    For all those who argue that the new-sspx wasn't trying to use a new-bishop to infiltrate the society with fake oils, fake confirmations, etc...let's see how long it takes for the new-sspx to find a "new bishop convert" to join the group.

    Yes, and I believe also a future fake consecration and/or ordinations.  God may have been sparing the faithful from that.

    What I found most curious and suspicious about Huonder is the fact that Jorge gave his "blessing" and "encouragement" for Huonder to "retire" with the SSPX.  Jorge has great hostility toward Traditional Catholics, so there must be some ulterior motive there.  In addition, Jorge did not reprimand or punish Huonder for making statements critical of him in recent months (while deposing Strickland for much less).  He probably knew that Huonder needed to make it "look good", like he was some true Traditionalist, and what better to allay suspicions about his role and his agenda than for him to come up and publicly criticize Bergoglio?
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #35 on: April 04, 2024, 10:41:28 AM »
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    • Fr. Chazal chimed in:


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    This Huonder thing is clearly a divine statement, and now he is dead... Cancer of Pancreas, is like the lightning of cancers, short notice, and death within a week. The timing couldn't be better and more related with the deception of last year (Remember, they were hiding the identity of the celebrant at first): he goes to the hospital just before the Chrismal Mass, and now the german priests, who could not call a replacement bishop at the last minute, have to beg valid Holy Oils from other districts, while unable to send confreres abroad, in Asia in particular, to spread huonderful oils. 
    Looks like the Heavens agree with the position of Archbishop Lefebvre, and this is a sign that God still cares about sspx people, let aside the sspx management, which is quite pitiful in those days of strife and mediocrity. Whether the sspx is going to make use of the warning is an entirely other piece of cake... almost a pie in the sky, shining high on the road of compromising.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #36 on: April 04, 2024, 11:21:48 AM »
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    • Fr Chazal nailed it!
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #37 on: April 04, 2024, 07:31:31 PM »
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    • So does this mean there is no need to worry about Huonder oils at all? What about the oils from last year? Or were they supposed to have something done to them this year?
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #38 on: April 04, 2024, 07:43:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on April 04, 2024, 10:41:28 AM
    Fr. Chazal chimed in:

    This being the case, the Novus Ordo priests who have recently joined the SSPX without conditional ordination should pay some visits to the doctor, because they are celebrating doubtful masses everyday.

    Since the Eucharist is the greatest of the Sacraments, it is probably a worse sin to confer it doubtfully than to bless Holy Oils doubtfully.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #39 on: April 05, 2024, 11:15:14 AM »
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    • Bishop Huonder will be buried in Econe next to the Archbishop. This of course has not been published in English. 

    Mgr Vitus Huonder – Faire-part et informations | District de Suisse (fsspx.ch)

    "Many people were surprised to learn that Mgr Vitus Huonder would be buried not in Chur, but in Écône. This choice had already been communicated to the diocese in 2022, then reiterated orally to Mgr Bonnemain as well as to the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X a few days before his death. What were the reasons that pushed the former bishop of Chur to make this decision?

    They are in one word: he wanted to be buried alongside the bishop who suffered so much for the Church. These are his own words."



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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #40 on: April 05, 2024, 11:26:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: nonpossumus on April 05, 2024, 11:15:14 AM
    Bishop Huonder will be buried in Econe next to the Archbishop. This of course has not been published in English.

    Mgr Vitus Huonder – Faire-part et informations | District de Suisse (fsspx.ch)

    "Many people were surprised to learn that Mgr Vitus Huonder would be buried not in Chur, but in Écône. This choice had already been communicated to the diocese in 2022, then reiterated orally to Mgr Bonnemain as well as to the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X a few days before his death. What were the reasons that pushed the former bishop of Chur to make this decision?

    They are in one word: he wanted to be buried alongside the bishop who suffered so much for the Church. These are his own words."
    So now doubtful/invalid Novus Ordo bishops are granted the request to be buried alongside ABL. Are there any other (real) bishops buried next to him or even near him? 
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #41 on: April 05, 2024, 12:05:53 PM »
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    • Well, when the +ABL consecrations happened, Apple stock was 30 cents a share. The public "Internet" as we know it didn't exist yet, and kids were independently exploring their neighborhoods on bicycles without safety gear. I could post many photos of the fashion of the time. Suffice to say, 1988 was a long time ago.

    And priests under age 30 couldn't be consecrated a Bishop. So do the math.

    I was a carefree 12 year old child in 1988. My maturity and "soberness" has gone through the roof since then. (Not talking about alcohol; I don't drink alcohol and never really have). I think about my last end all the time now. A lot changes in 36 years!

    Over the course of 3 or 4 decades, one of these 3 things happens to everyone: 

    Grow up
    Grow old
    Die

    to paraphrase "The Shoals of Herring" Irish folk song.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #42 on: April 05, 2024, 12:30:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: nonpossumus on April 05, 2024, 11:15:14 AM
    Bishop Huonder will be buried in Econe next to the Archbishop. This of course has not been published in English.

    Mgr Vitus Huonder – Faire-part et informations | District de Suisse (fsspx.ch)

    "Many people were surprised to learn that Mgr Vitus Huonder would be buried not in Chur, but in Écône. This choice had already been communicated to the diocese in 2022, then reiterated orally to Mgr Bonnemain as well as to the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X a few days before his death. What were the reasons that pushed the former bishop of Chur to make this decision?

    They are in one word: he wanted to be buried alongside the bishop who suffered so much for the Church. These are his own words."

    In a certain way, this is even more offensive than having him celebrating the Holy Thursday Mass. Some people might actually believe that his episcopacy was valid.

    This seems to imply that he is of the same caliber of Abp. Lefebvre is a largely symbolic gesture. 

    It's like they are showing through this gesture that they have fully embraced the Conciliar Church, putting a man of this Church side by side with their great founder.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #43 on: April 05, 2024, 12:52:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on April 05, 2024, 12:30:38 PM
    In a certain way, this is even more offensive than having him celebrating the Holy Thursday Mass. Some people might actually believe that his episcopacy was valid.

    This seems to imply that he is of the same caliber of Abp. Lefebvre is a largely symbolic gesture.

    It's like they are showing through this gesture that they have fully embraced the Conciliar Church, putting a man of this Church side by side with their great founder.
    That spot should have been reserved for Bishop Williamson.
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    Re: Bishop Huonder died - R.I.P.
    « Reply #44 on: April 05, 2024, 01:47:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on April 05, 2024, 12:52:55 PM
    That spot should have been reserved for Bishop Williamson.
    Granted, it is no surprise that this isn't what was done since Bishop Williamson is not part of the SSPX anymore.  But, given there are other SSPX bishops who will someday die, you would think that they would have saved the spot for them.  
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