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    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fellay-i-thought-that-with-his.html

    Fellay: "I thought that, with his resignation, he would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as Pope."

    Interview granted by the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bp. Bernard Fellay, to Nouvelles de France (Feb. 15 edition). No time for a translation now, but he says that for a brief moment following the papal resignation he expected a sign in their favor, but now thinks this is unlikely to happen: "It will probably be necessary to wait for the next pope."

    Monseigneur, apprécieriez-vous le fait que le dernier acte majeur du pontificat de Benoît XVI puisse être la réintégration de la Fraternité Saint Pie X ?

    Un bref instant, j’ai pensé qu’en annonçant sa démission, Benoît XVI ferait peut-être un dernier geste envers nous en tant que Pape. Cela étant, je vois difficilement comment cela peut être possible. Il faudra probablement attendre le prochain Pape. Je vais même vous dire, au risque de vous surprendre, il y a des problèmes plus importants pour l’Église que celui de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X et c’est, d’une certaine manière, en les réglant, que le problème de la Fraternité sera réglé.

    Certains disent que vous souhaitez que Rome reconnaisse le rit ordinaire comme illicite, pouvez-vous nous éclairer sur ce point ?

    Nous sommes bien conscients qu’il est très difficile de demander des autorités une condamnation de la nouvelle messe. En réalité, si ce qui doit être corrigé l’était, ce serait déjà un grand pas.

    Comment cela ?

    Cela peut être réalisé par une instruction de la Congrégation pour le Culte Divin et la Discipline des Sacrements. Ce n’est pas si compliqué en fin de compte. Je pense qu’il y a des changements importants à effectuer à cause des graves et dangereuses déficiences, qui font que ce rite est condamnable. L’Église peut très bien effectuer ces importantes corrections sans perdre la face ou son autorité. Mais je note actuellement l’opposition d’une partie des évêques à la demande légitime du Pape de corriger, au canon de la messe, la traduction du « pro multis » par « pour beaucoup » et non pas « pour tous », traduction fausse que l’on retrouve dans plusieurs langues.

    Souhaitez-vous revenir sur le Concile Vatican II ?

    En ce qui concerne Vatican II, comme pour la messe, nous estimons qu’il est nécessaire de clarifier et de corriger un certain nombre de points qui sont soit erronés, soit conduisant à l’erreur. Cela étant, nous ne nous attendons pas à ce que Rome condamne Vatican II avant longtemps. Elle peut rappeler la Vérité, corriger discrètement les erreurs en sauvegardant son autorité. Toutefois, nous pensons que la Fraternité apporte sa pierre à l’édifice du Seigneur en dénonçant certains points litigieux.

    Concrètement, vous savez bien que vos revendications ne seront pas satisfaites du jour au lendemain.

    Certainement, mais au fur et à mesure, elles le seront, je pense. Et il y aura un moment, où la situation deviendra acceptable et nous pourrons être d’accord, même si aujourd’hui cela ne semble pas être le cas.

    Vous avez rencontré Benoît XVI dès les premiers mois de son pontificat, pouvez-vous nous dire quel a été votre sentiment à son endroit à ce moment là ?

    Je peux dire que j’ai rencontré un Pape qui avait un désir sincère de réaliser l’unité de l’Église, même si nous n’avons pas réussi à nous accorder. Mais croyez bien que je prie pour lui tous les jours.

    Quel a été, selon vous, l’acte le plus important de son pontificat ?

    Je pense que sans conteste, l’acte le plus important fut la publication du Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм qui accorde aux prêtres du monde entier la liberté de célébrer la messe traditionnelle. Il l’a fait, il faut le dire, avec courage car il y avait des oppositions. Je pense d’ailleurs que cet acte portera des fruits très positifs à la longue


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    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2013, 09:17:30 AM »
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    Can we get a French speaker to translate?

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fellay-i-thought-that-with-his.html

    Fellay: "I thought that, with his resignation, he would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as Pope."


    Interesting thought that the leader of the Church of 1.2 billion people would make a favorable final gesture to a group of 150-200,000 adherents .....


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    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2013, 09:17:49 AM »
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  • DICI did it for us. Here is their translation from the SSPX-US web site:

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    Pope Benedict's last major act? Interview of Bishop Fellay

    Pierre de Bellerive of Nouvelles de France; February 15, 2013

    Your Excellency, would you appreciate it if the last major act of Benedict XVI’s pontificate could be the reintegration of the Society of St. Pius X?
       
    Bishop Bernard Fellay: For a moment I thought that, with his resignation, Benedict XVI would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as pope. That being said, I have a hard time seeing how he could do so. We will probably have to wait for the next pope. I will even go so far as to say, at the risk of surprising you, that the Church has more important problems than the Society of St. Pius X, and in a way, it is by resolving these problems that the problem of the Society will be solved.

    Some say that you wish Rome to recognize that the ordinary rite is illicit; can you tell us more on this point?

    We know very well that it is very difficult to ask the authorities to condemn the new mass. In reality, if what needs to be corrected were corrected, it would already be a big step.

    How?

    It can be done by an instruction from the Congregation for the Divine Cult and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It’s not that complicated, really. I think that important changes need to be made because of the serious and dangerous deficiencies that make this rite condemnable. The Church could very well make these important corrections without losing face or undermining her authority. But at present, I am aware of the opposition from a number of bishops to the Pope’s legitimate request that the translation in the Canon of the Mass of “pro multis” by “for all” be corrected and replaced by “for many”, since the former translation which can be found in several languages is false.

    Would you like to say anything about Vatican Council II?

    As far as Vatican II is concerned, just like for the Mass, we believe that it is necessary to clarify and correct a certain number of points that are either erroneous or lead to error. That being said, we do not expect Rome to condemn Vatican II any time soon. She can recall the Truth and discretely correct the errors, while preserving her authority. Nonetheless, we think that the Society contributes to the Lord’s edifice by denouncing certain disputed points.

    Concretely speaking, you know that your demands will not be answered overnight.

    Absolutely, but little by little they eventually will be, I think. And the time will come when the situation will become acceptable and we will be able to agree, even if that does not seem to be the case today.

    You met with Benedict XVI in the first months of his pontificate; can you tell us what your impression of him was at that time?  

    I can say that I met with a pope who had a sincere desire to bring about the unity of the Church, even if we were not able to agree. But I assure you that I pray for him every day.

    In your opinion, what was the most important act of his pontificate?

    I think that the most important act was without any doubt the publication of the motu proprio, Summorum Pontificuм which grants to priests everywhere in the world the freedom to celebrate the traditional Mass. Might I add that he acted with courage, for there was opposition. And I think that this act will bear very positive fruits in the long run.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2013, 10:35:54 AM »
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    DICI did it for us. Here is their translation from the SSPX-US web site:

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    Pope Benedict's last major act? Interview of Bishop Fellay

    Pierre de Bellerive of Nouvelles de France; February 15, 2013

    Your Excellency, would you appreciate it if the last major act of Benedict XVI’s pontificate could be the reintegration of the Society of St. Pius X?
       
    Bishop Bernard Fellay: For a moment I thought that, with his resignation, Benedict XVI would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as pope. That being said, I have a hard time seeing how he could do so. We will probably have to wait for the next pope. I will even go so far as to say, at the risk of surprising you, that the Church has more important problems than the Society of St. Pius X, and in a way, it is by resolving these problems that the problem of the Society will be solved.

    Some say that you wish Rome to recognize that the ordinary rite is illicit; can you tell us more on this point?

    We know very well that it is very difficult to ask the authorities to condemn the new mass. In reality, if what needs to be corrected were corrected, it would already be a big step.

    How?

    It can be done by an instruction from the Congregation for the Divine Cult and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It’s not that complicated, really. I think that important changes need to be made because of the serious and dangerous deficiencies that make this rite condemnable. The Church could very well make these important corrections without losing face or undermining her authority. But at present, I am aware of the opposition from a number of bishops to the Pope’s legitimate request that the translation in the Canon of the Mass of “pro multis” by “for all” be corrected and replaced by “for many”, since the former translation which can be found in several languages is false.

    Would you like to say anything about Vatican Council II?

    As far as Vatican II is concerned, just like for the Mass, we believe that it is necessary to clarify and correct a certain number of points that are either erroneous or lead to error. That being said, we do not expect Rome to condemn Vatican II any time soon. She can recall the Truth and discretely correct the errors, while preserving her authority. Nonetheless, we think that the Society contributes to the Lord’s edifice by denouncing certain disputed points.

    Concretely speaking, you know that your demands will not be answered overnight.

    Absolutely, but little by little they eventually will be, I think. And the time will come when the situation will become acceptable and we will be able to agree, even if that does not seem to be the case today.

    You met with Benedict XVI in the first months of his pontificate; can you tell us what your impression of him was at that time?  

    I can say that I met with a pope who had a sincere desire to bring about the unity of the Church, even if we were not able to agree. But I assure you that I pray for him every day.

    In your opinion, what was the most important act of his pontificate?

    I think that the most important act was without any doubt the publication of the motu proprio, Summorum Pontificuм which grants to priests everywhere in the world the freedom to celebrate the traditional Mass. Might I add that he acted with courage, for there was opposition. And I think that this act will bear very positive fruits in the long run.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 10:40:24 AM »
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    Concretely speaking, you know that your demands will not be answered overnight.

    Absolutely, but little by little they eventually will be, I think. And the time will come when the situation will become acceptable and we will be able to agree, even if that does not seem to be the case today.


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    but little by little they eventually will be


    So far the the Vatican has not budged one inch, so on who's side is this "little by little"?

    It looks like the little by little has come and is going to come from Fellay, and

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    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 10:44:13 AM »
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    Can we get a French speaker to translate?

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fellay-i-thought-that-with-his.html

    Fellay: "I thought that, with his resignation, he would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as Pope."

    Interview granted by the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bp. Bernard Fellay, to Nouvelles de France (Feb. 15 edition). No time for a translation now, but he says that for a brief moment following the papal resignation he expected a sign in their favor, but now thinks this is unlikely to happen: "It will probably be necessary to wait for the next pope."

    Monseigneur, apprécieriez-vous le fait que le dernier acte majeur du pontificat de Benoît XVI puisse être la réintégration de la Fraternité Saint Pie X ?

    Un bref instant, j’ai pensé qu’en annonçant sa démission, Benoît XVI ferait peut-être un dernier geste envers nous en tant que Pape. Cela étant, je vois difficilement comment cela peut être possible. Il faudra probablement attendre le prochain Pape. Je vais même vous dire, au risque de vous surprendre, il y a des problèmes plus importants pour l’Église que celui de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X et c’est, d’une certaine manière, en les réglant, que le problème de la Fraternité sera réglé.

    Certains disent que vous souhaitez que Rome reconnaisse le rit ordinaire comme illicite, pouvez-vous nous éclairer sur ce point ?

    Nous sommes bien conscients qu’il est très difficile de demander des autorités une condamnation de la nouvelle messe. En réalité, si ce qui doit être corrigé l’était, ce serait déjà un grand pas.

    Comment cela ?

    Cela peut être réalisé par une instruction de la Congrégation pour le Culte Divin et la Discipline des Sacrements. Ce n’est pas si compliqué en fin de compte. Je pense qu’il y a des changements importants à effectuer à cause des graves et dangereuses déficiences, qui font que ce rite est condamnable. L’Église peut très bien effectuer ces importantes corrections sans perdre la face ou son autorité. Mais je note actuellement l’opposition d’une partie des évêques à la demande légitime du Pape de corriger, au canon de la messe, la traduction du « pro multis » par « pour beaucoup » et non pas « pour tous », traduction fausse que l’on retrouve dans plusieurs langues.

    Souhaitez-vous revenir sur le Concile Vatican II ?

    En ce qui concerne Vatican II, comme pour la messe, nous estimons qu’il est nécessaire de clarifier et de corriger un certain nombre de points qui sont soit erronés, soit conduisant à l’erreur. Cela étant, nous ne nous attendons pas à ce que Rome condamne Vatican II avant longtemps. Elle peut rappeler la Vérité, corriger discrètement les erreurs en sauvegardant son autorité. Toutefois, nous pensons que la Fraternité apporte sa pierre à l’édifice du Seigneur en dénonçant certains points litigieux.

    Concrètement, vous savez bien que vos revendications ne seront pas satisfaites du jour au lendemain.

    Certainement, mais au fur et à mesure, elles le seront, je pense. Et il y aura un moment, où la situation deviendra acceptable et nous pourrons être d’accord, même si aujourd’hui cela ne semble pas être le cas.

    Vous avez rencontré Benoît XVI dès les premiers mois de son pontificat, pouvez-vous nous dire quel a été votre sentiment à son endroit à ce moment là ?

    Je peux dire que j’ai rencontré un Pape qui avait un désir sincère de réaliser l’unité de l’Église, même si nous n’avons pas réussi à nous accorder. Mais croyez bien que je prie pour lui tous les jours.

    Quel a été, selon vous, l’acte le plus important de son pontificat ?

    Je pense que sans conteste, l’acte le plus important fut la publication du Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм qui accorde aux prêtres du monde entier la liberté de célébrer la messe traditionnelle. Il l’a fait, il faut le dire, avec courage car il y avait des oppositions. Je pense d’ailleurs que cet acte portera des fruits très positifs à la longue



    Which means Bishop Fellay STILL (!!!) wants a deal!!!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 11:52:41 AM »
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    Which means Bishop Fellay STILL (!!!) wants a deal!!!




    Of course he does. He's not going to throw away 15(?) yrs. of planning, working, organizing, expelling, etc.....just for nothing!!! (Proper timing of this deal will be the difficult thing for him).

    As he clearly states: "Absolutely, but little by little they eventually will be, I think. And the time will come when the situation will become acceptable and we will be able to agree, even if that does not seem to be the case today."

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    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 12:03:29 PM »
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  • Gerard is very much representative of Irish faithful, who favour an agreement.


    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-last-chance-for-sspx-plus-sspx-in.html
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    Gerard Brady said...
    It continually surprises me how so many people (of undoubted good will) can be so wrongheaded when it comes to the position of the SSPX. The link to the following article written by a lawyer with no connection to the aforementioned Fraternity explains the entire issue.
    http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-0205-ferrara-gnostic-twaddle.htm
    15 February, 2013 12:39


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    « Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 01:14:35 PM »
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    Which means Bishop Fellay STILL (!!!) wants a deal!!!




    Of course he does. He's not going to throw away 15(?) yrs. of planning, working, organizing, expelling, etc.....just for nothing!!! (Proper timing of this deal will be the difficult thing for him).

    As he clearly states: "Absolutely, but little by little they eventually will be, I think. And the time will come when the situation will become acceptable and we will be able to agree, even if that does not seem to be the case today."


    Yes.

    Good point: It is not a doctrinal convergence in tradition that will make an "acceptable situation," but merely less resistence from within the ranks of the SSPX, and for Rome, less opposition from the bishops.

    You have to tip your hat to GREC.

    They played this one beautifully.

    Bishop Williamson has tried to warn us since at least 2001 that this betrayal could happen.

    Instead of listening, we called him a conspiracy nut.

    Today he stands completely vindicated on that score.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 02:10:56 PM »
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  • Not once did he say that the TRUE MASS must be resotred, as the Archbishop would have.  Instead, he talks about "Important Corrections" .   Why didn't he just say "Reform of the Reform".

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    Bishop Williamson has tried to warn us since at least 2001 that this betrayal could happen.

    Instead of listening, we called him a conspiracy nut.

    Today he stands completely vindicated on that score.


    Who is the "we" you refer to? The only people that I am aware that call him a "conspiracy nut" are those who attend the Indult. The leadership of the Irish Latin Mass Society for example are vicious in their mockery of the Bishop.

    Some within the SSPX haven't listened to the Bishop either. In the context of the admonishment from Fr Morgan towards 'Catholic Truth' he did say something of along the lines of it is bad enough for the enemy to attack but those from within.

    To be fair the Bishop is liked. Faithful can cringe when he speaks about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst', '9/11' and other topics etc etc but it goes back to truth.

    I have no doubt many laughed at him in relation to women and trousers, and university.

    On the point of vindication. He has certainly been vindicated.Time and time again.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 02:28:01 PM »
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    Which means Bishop Fellay STILL (!!!) wants a deal!!!
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    Talk about stating the obvious. He spent long enough softening up the laity.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 02:30:56 PM »
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    Not once did he say that the TRUE MASS must be resotred, as the Archbishop would have.  Instead, he talks about "Important Corrections" .   Why didn't he just say "Reform of the Reform".


    You are asking too many questions.


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  • Too Funny!  but sadly true!

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    « Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 10:28:40 PM »
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  • sspx.org has titled this latest interview of BF thus:

    Will the Pope's last major act be for SSPX?

    This is quite depressing! Why this title? Are they preparing us for something? On another thread I said that during his recent visit to India (November 2012) he told me that as long as Vatican II was in place the Society would not come to a deal with Rome. Oremus!