Author Topic: Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic (Read 33577 times)

Ethelred · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2011, 03:20:46 AM »

Quote from: Charles

Well, where are all of the folks who were convinced Bishop Fellay was selling out ?

The danger is not past, not at all.
We have good reasons to fear that the bishop will still try to get back in with Rome. God forbid!

From personal talks with Bishop Fellay I know that what he's saying is not necessarily what he's doing. He's a double-thinker. He don't like to be called one, see his angry letter to Bishop Williamson who apparently must have called Bishop Fellay to be double-tongued ("And you talk to us of being double tongued!").

Well, not just since early 2009 I've absolutely no reason to trust Bishop Fellay or his assistants, namely Fr Pfluger. They brought us Krah, and that's just the one bad egg most Internet users who're aware of the Krah-Gate know of! There are others, too.

Telesphorus hit the nail on the head:

Quote from: Telesphorus

You people take what is spoken to the public too much at face value.

I would vote +1 many of his posts, but the forum continues to tell me "I'm sure Telesphorus appreciates your support, but let's give others a turn"... :-)

Wessex · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2011, 06:24:40 AM »

Bp. Fellay could not change the mind of the Society overnight but he has been making changes over the last few years prompted by the Motu Proprio and 'excommunication' moves in Rome. He has lost no time in creating some kind of convergence between the two parties leading to the current engagement. To do that you have to clean out some old stables and bring out some long knives! And having gone thus far he will consolidate his position and bring on new reforms so that the next dialogue with Rome will achieve greater success. Until then, more of the old guard have to die or retire and a new generation with no experience of the old religion will acquire a 21st century version of tradition that fits better into modern life. This is how change by stealth happens.

Ethelred · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:12:51 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

.... This is how change by stealth happens.

Thanks for your post. It hits the nail on the head.

Still, let's not forget providence. Lord Almighty has got the last word. We don't need to know Irlmaier's timetable in order to see that the Newchurch's and globalist world's mess are reaching their "answer" very soon.

... This must sound kind of funny for elder long time SSPX catholics, because in the 1970's when Archbishop Lefebvre founded his society most catholics thought the spiritual emergency would only last a few years. But now it lasts for more than four decades! And I know quite some elder long time SSPX catholics who by now think it could last another decades. Let's observe the signs of our time. Our Lord told us to do so. They're very interesting and tell a lot about what's directly ahead of us. Let's be patient...

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:12:04 AM »

The article seems to indicate that Bishop Fellay isn't very interested in accepting the preamble, but he does appear hopeful that Rome will offer him something better. But he's obviously forgotten what Archbishop LeFebvre said: Wait for Rome to convert first.

Like Charles, I do trust Fellay more than anyone in the Vatican. At the same time though, I also think Fellay has changed the last few years. I don't agree with his sudden sympathetic attitude towards the Jews, saying we shouldn't be "anti-Jew" because "Jesus, Mary, and the Apostles were all Jew".

I think for Tradition's sake, Fellay and +Williamson need to try and make mends if the Society is going to avoid totally collapsing. And Fellay is the one who needs to make those mends rather than practically threatening +Williamson and throwing him under the bus.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:14:58 AM »

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I think Bishop Fellay's conduct has spoken for itself - but that doesn't ever mean I thought an agreement was imminent. I think it will take some years yet - but what's evident now is there is a path towards an agreement that is being followed.

What "path towards an agreement?" I see no such path. Are you suggesting that Bp. Fellay & Co. must continue to travel hat-in-hand to Rome for discussions into the indefinite future? They may do that, but not from any financial assistance I plan to provide!