Author Topic: Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic (Read 33905 times)

LordPhan · « **Reply #55 on:** October 23, 2011, 04:03:44 PM »

Once again you only show how little you understand Catholic Law and the faith POI.

A Pope cannot order me to do anything that is contrary to what God Teaches, furthermore his orders are invalid if they are unjust, his orders are invalid if they are against the law and contary to the spirit of the law.

I have posted the parts of the Summa on Epikea, Obedience and Judgement I suggest you read them.

I suggest you read the entire Summa actually. I think I stated that earlier.

sedesvacans · « **Reply #56 on:** October 23, 2011, 10:44:20 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

I like the idea of Not communing with heretics. But I also like the idea of not abandoning these people to their ignorance, and if there is something I can do and say, or even if there is a position I could take that could help save souls...

What do you think?

I would never be in favor of abandoning anyone to their ignorance and if anyone has had success in waking novus ordos up about what is going on, I think that might be a worthy page in and of itself, and is what we all pray for!

...but I believe that does not constitute a justification for a una cuм mass, which is an entirely different point, isn't it?.

Charles · « **Reply #57 on:** October 23, 2011, 11:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

There are typically two schools of thought regarding this, both of which are valid:

1. He who communes with heretics makes himself a heretic, by implicitly wishing them Godspeed in their works. We should retire from the company of heretics and allow ourselves freedom from the corrupting influences of Satan.

2. Those heretics may never hear the truth proclaimed unless we tell them. Thus, we will be salt to the conciliar church, and work for renewal from the inside, whether by keeping our traditionalism quiet and seeking to occupy positions at CCD and RCIA where we will have the oppurtunity to plant the seeds of Tradition; or by simply not abandoning the Novus Ordo PEOPLE, although we may despise their "priests" and masses.

I have been invited by conciliar priests to teach CCD before. It boggles my mind what I would do...Probably give them all copies of the Douay Catechism and Go line by line...

My Point is that there have been saints on both sides of the fence; I.E. the Great Western Schism, especialyl St. Vincent Ferrer, who defended the Anti-Pope Benedict XIII and was arguably one of the greatest saints who ever lived.

I like the idea of Not communing with heretics. But I also like the idea of not abandoning these people to their ignorance, and if there is something I can do and say, or even if there is a position I could take that could help save souls...

What do you think?

Excellent question...but one I can't answer.

I assisted a diocesan TLM today. The old priest in his 90's who used to pray the Mass there doesn't do so now, due to his health, and the Pastor there who now prays the TLM is suspect. He has eliminated the Tuesday and Thursday TLM noon Mass. And today, instead of a sermon, he spends 20 minutes explaining the upcoming revisions for the NO. Why ? He said at some point we would be going to the NO for weddings, funerals, baptisms, etc. That was his reasoning.

I found myself wishing I had my rosary with me to pray while he praised the "wonderful changes" .

I dunno. In that parish, it would be tough to open many eyes.

Diego · « **Reply #58 on:** October 23, 2011, 11:21:03 PM »

Rorate Caeli?

A common, though by no means a universal, failing of converts is to forget that they were wrong before, so they should have the humility and prudence to doubt themselves—not to doubt the Faith, but to doubt themselves (and their pontifications).

The problem is, of course, exacerbated in those who cannot leave their racial conceits behind.

New Christians, New Catholics, beware!

Diego · « **Reply #59 on:** October 23, 2011, 11:36:06 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Well, not just since early 2009 I've absolutely no reason to trust Bishop Fellay or his assistants, namely Fr Pfluger. They brought us Krah, and that's just the one bad egg most Internet users who're aware of the Krah-Gate know of! There are others, too.

Fr. Marcus Heggenberger