Author Topic: Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic (Read 34299 times)

LordPhan · « **Reply #40 on:** October 22, 2011, 10:16:48 PM »

We cannot be excommunicated, once again you fail to understand the laws of the church

LordPhan · « **Reply #41 on:** October 22, 2011, 10:19:34 PM »

I suggest you scroll down and read the thread where I posted the St. Thomas on Obedience. You display false obedience like the Neo-Cath's, you think that a Pope has more authority then God, that is very wrong. If the Pope contradicts God, you must disobey him. If an contradicts an order of a Pope then the Pope's authority prevails unless he contradicts his superior God who is above all men always.

ManofGosh · « **Reply #42 on:** October 22, 2011, 10:30:24 PM »

If the SSPX is excommunicated as a whole, will you become a sedevacantist then?

This has been tried before and the SSPX did not become sedes. The Vatican can declare anything, and it would not change the Mission of Archbishop Lefebvre, To restore all things in Christ. Certainly if you are Catholic part of your Identity is the Holy See. Why not start there? Where Tradition is being held hostige. We are out to convert the Vatican as a whole. Would sedes be willing to come back if that happened? The way I see it, the Society need to not sign anything. They have the Truth on their side. The Vatican can declare their Canonical status or call them Schismatic, none of which require a signature as a "deal" implies. This will not effect the mission by most Catholics to convert the Vatican, just like the lifting of the excommunications. We will not be satisfied until ALL things are retored in Christ.

s2srea · « **Reply #43 on:** October 22, 2011, 10:34:41 PM »

Excellent points LordPhan.

pbax · « **Reply #44 on:** October 22, 2011, 11:12:26 PM »

When I was in the seminary, a few years ago now, I can remember a talk given to us by a Priest or Bishop of the SSPX ,not too sure who, about the signs that lead to a priest leaving the SSPX. He said it starts of small and then grows. Example he might not read some of his brievery or maybe prefer lay peoples company rather than his brother priest, only small thing but can lead to disaster if not corrected.
I guess that is how I see this crisis now, small things but put them together and…..! The lifting of the excommunications: Why did bishop Fellay ask for it when we in the eyes of the SSPX were not excommunicated in the first place? Then not seeing Archbishops name nor Bishop deCastro Meyer’s name maybe should of sounded alarms. The motu Propio The Priests were free to say it anyway, then the ordasity of calling it an extraordinary rite, and the novus ordo an ordinary rite, no no no things do not add up. What about Bishop Williamson treatment does not add up, like him or not he has not done anything that he would not have done when the Archbishop was alive. He is protecting the faith and explaining it. You look at the introduction of Maxy Krah into the SSPX and hell the alarm bells are getting louder and louder. The Dominican novus ordo sister that got permission from rome to join the traditional SSPX Dominicans. Can probably think of a lot more examples but that is enough for now.

I ask myself where has rome changed from lets say 1988 till now to justify the SSPX returning and you no what, I can’t answer it, if anything rome is worse. They still are the artists in ambiguous writings and sucking up to those jews in my book and still canot be trusted. I cannot see too many good signs.