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Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2011, 02:53:09 AM »
Quote from: Charles
Quote from: pbax
The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.

Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?
Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?


Well, I can -- what's concerning the mentioned German meeting. I've by now double-checked the story and I'm sure it's accurate in its main points.

The best part however is that in Albano something similar must have happened, so the German district meeting was just a kind of final rehearsal for Albano. Thank God! :-)

I'm going to quote my initial report from this Cathinfo thread with just a few minor corrections:

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At the end of September 2011 there was a SSPX' meeting of all priests working or staying in Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), with their district superior Fr Schmidberger. That's a bare 50 priests or so.

The special speaker was Bp Fellay's first assistant, Fr Pfluger from Menzingen.
He's a Swiss-German priest and the mentor of Zionist Krah (or the other way round). Some say he's the most dangerous cleric in the entire SSPX. (Verifiable he's one of the clerics who hate Bishop Williamson the most.)

On this meeting Fr Pfluger tried for about two hours to advocate a SSPX agreement with Newrome. He mentioned that they want a contract with Newrome, based on an edited version of Newrome's offer.
He's being fully supported by Fr Schmidberger's assistant and public relation man Fr Steiner, who also edits the messy official SSPX newsletter. (There for example he wrote a weird Big-Bang propagation in spring 2010.)
Although Fr Schmidberger didn't and doesn't speak as openly as Fr Pfluger on this matter, good sources tell me that considering a contract with Newrome Fr Schmidberger is in the same boat with Pfluger and Steiner.

After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the elder father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense speech which just lasted a few minutes. With his impressive arguments he completely swept away in a few minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.
After Fr Maeßen's counterattack, Fr Pfluger was not only silent but pale. He was unable to reply anything, which is a rare moment!

Fr Maeßen's underlined as the crux of the matter, that Newrome was modernist at the time of Archbishop Lefebvre and still is modernist today, so no agreement is possible at all.

As an additional information: Fr Maeßen was a former German SSPX district superior, he's uncompromisingly pro Archbishop Lefebvre, and by now he usually stays in an old people's home and is just working sometimes in SSPX chapels (where he gives very ardent sermons with an immense love for Archbishop Lefebvre). In contrast to some younger priests he's not in fear of certain superiors.

Now comes the crowning moment:
After his short speech, about three-quarters of the priests applauded Fr Maeßen !

(And I know of priests who liked to applaud too, but didn't dare because of potential sanctions against them.)

Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2011, 02:55:55 AM »
Quote from: Charles
Quote from: pbax
Quote from: Charles
Well, where are all of the folks who were convinced Bishop Fellay was selling out ?



The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.


Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?

Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?


Honest answer It is pretty well known the opposition in France and Germany. And if you think the meeting at Albano went smoothly over tea and biscuits boy you are in for a shock. Don't forget this is politics at its best or worst.


Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2011, 04:34:24 AM »
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Charles
Quote from: pbax
The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.

Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?
Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?


Well, I can -- what's concerning the mentioned German meeting. I've by now double-checked the story and I'm sure it's accurate in its main points.

The best part however is that in Albano something similar must have happened, so the German district meeting was just a kind of final rehearsal for Albano. Thank God! :-)

I'm going to quote my initial report from this Cathinfo thread with just a few minor corrections:

-----

At the end of September 2011 there was a SSPX' meeting of all priests working or staying in Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), with their district superior Fr Schmidberger. That's a bare 50 priests or so.

The special speaker was Bp Fellay's first assistant, Fr Pfluger from Menzingen.
He's a Swiss-German priest and the mentor of Zionist Krah (or the other way round). Some say he's the most dangerous cleric in the entire SSPX. (Verifiable he's one of the clerics who hate Bishop Williamson the most.)

On this meeting Fr Pfluger tried for about two hours to advocate a SSPX agreement with Newrome. He mentioned that they want a contract with Newrome, based on an edited version of Newrome's offer.
He's being fully supported by Fr Schmidberger's assistant and public relation man Fr Steiner, who also edits the messy official SSPX newsletter. (There for example he wrote a weird Big-Bang propagation in spring 2010.)
Although Fr Schmidberger didn't and doesn't speak as openly as Fr Pfluger on this matter, good sources tell me that considering a contract with Newrome Fr Schmidberger is in the same boat with Pfluger and Steiner.

After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the elder father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense speech which just lasted a few minutes. With his impressive arguments he completely swept away in a few minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.
After Fr Maeßen's counterattack, Fr Pfluger was not only silent but pale. He was unable to reply anything, which is a rare moment!

Fr Maeßen's underlined as the crux of the matter, that Newrome was modernist at the time of Archbishop Lefebvre and still is modernist today, so no agreement is possible at all.

As an additional information: Fr Maeßen was a former German SSPX district superior, he's uncompromisingly pro Archbishop Lefebvre, and by now he usually stays in an old people's home and is just working sometimes in SSPX chapels (where he gives very ardent sermons with an immense love for Archbishop Lefebvre). In contrast to some younger priests he's not in fear of certain superiors.

Now comes the crowning moment:
After his short speech, about three-quarters of the priests applauded Fr Maeßen !

(And I know of priests who liked to applaud too, but didn't dare because of potential sanctions against them.)


Thanks, interesting stuff.


Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 04:37:36 AM »
Quote from: pbax
Quote from: Charles
Quote from: pbax
Quote from: Charles
Well, where are all of the folks who were convinced Bishop Fellay was selling out ?



The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.


Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?

Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?


Honest answer It is pretty well known the opposition in France and Germany. And if you think the meeting at Albano went smoothly over tea and biscuits boy you are in for a shock. Don't forget this is politics at its best or worst.


I have no opinion of what went on there. I just thought there might be an interview or article I missed. All I know for sure is that the meeting occurred.

Bishop Fellay: The Pope May Declare Us Schismatic
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 09:37:43 AM »
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I have no opinion of what went on there (at Albano). I just thought there might be an interview or article I missed. All I know for sure is that the meeting occurred.


Unfortunately, none of us probably will.  But Ethelred's input helps us to triangulate and come up with a reasonable assessment of what probably occured.  Others report that a number of priests in attendance offered plenty of resistance.  I think we can pretty well conclude that +F and Fr. Phluger have been thwarted in making any kind of agreement with New Rome.