Well, where are all of the folks who were convinced Bishop Fellay was selling out ?

The danger is not past, not at all.
We have good reasons to fear that the bishop will still try to get back in with Rome. God forbid!

From personal talks with Bishop Fellay I know that what he's saying is not necessarily what he's doing. He's a double-thinker. He don't like to be called one, see his angry letter to Bishop Williamson who apparently must have called Bishop Fellay to be double-tongued ("And you talk to us of being double tongued!").

Well, not just since early 2009 I've absolutely no reason to trust Bishop Fellay or his assistants, namely Fr Pfluger. They brought us Krah, and that's just the one bad egg most Internet users who're aware of the Krah-Gate know of! There are others, too.

Telesphorus hit the nail on the head:

You people take what is spoken to the public too much at face value.

I would vote +1 many of his posts, but the forum continues to tell me "I'm sure Telesphorus appreciates your support, but let's give others a turn"... :-)

....   This is how change by stealth happens.

Thanks for your post. It hits the nail on the head.

Still, let's not forget providence. Lord Almighty has got the last word. We don't need to know Irlmaier's timetable in order to see that the Newchurch's and globalist world's mess are reaching their "answer" very soon.

... This must sound kind of funny for elder long time SSPX catholics, because in the 1970's when Archbishop Lefebvre founded his society most catholics thought the spiritual emergency would only last a few years. But now it lasts for more than four decades! And I know quite some elder long time SSPX catholics who by now think it could last another decades. Let's observe the signs of our time. Our Lord told us to do so. They're very interesting and tell a lot about what's directly ahead of us. Let's be patient...

I think Bishop Fellay's conduct has spoken for itself - but that doesn't ever mean I thought an agreement was imminent.  I think it will take some years yet - but what's evident now is there is a path towards an agreement that is being followed.

What "path towards an agreement?"  I see no such path.  Are you suggesting that Bp. Fellay & Co. must continue to travel hat-in-hand to Rome for discussions  into the indefinite future?  They may do that, but not from any financial assistance I plan to provide!

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Well, where are all of the folks who were convinced Bishop Fellay was selling out ?

The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.

Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?

Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?

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The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.

Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?
Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?

Well, I can -- what's concerning the mentioned German meeting. I've by now double-checked the story and I'm sure it's accurate in its main points.

The best part however is that in Albano something similar must have happened, so the German district meeting was just a kind of final rehearsal for Albano. Thank God! :-)

I'm going to quote my initial report from this Cathinfo thread with just a few minor corrections:

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At the end of September 2011 there was a SSPX' meeting of all priests working or staying in Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), with their district superior Fr Schmidberger. That's a bare 50 priests or so.

The special speaker was Bp Fellay's first assistant, Fr Pfluger from Menzingen.
He's a Swiss-German priest and the mentor of Zionist Krah (or the other way round). Some say he's the most dangerous cleric in the entire SSPX. (Verifiable he's one of the clerics who hate Bishop Williamson the most.)

On this meeting Fr Pfluger tried for about two hours to advocate a SSPX agreement with Newrome. He mentioned that they want a contract with Newrome, based on an edited version of Newrome's offer.
He's being fully supported by Fr Schmidberger's assistant and public relation man Fr Steiner, who also edits the messy official SSPX newsletter. (There for example he wrote a weird Big-Bang propagation in spring 2010.)
Although Fr Schmidberger didn't and doesn't speak as openly as Fr Pfluger on this matter, good sources tell me that considering a contract with Newrome Fr Schmidberger is in the same boat with Pfluger and Steiner.

After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the elder father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense speech which just lasted a few minutes. With his impressive arguments he completely swept away in a few minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.
After Fr Maeßen's counterattack, Fr Pfluger was not only silent but pale. He was unable to reply anything, which is a rare moment!

Fr Maeßen's underlined as the crux of the matter, that Newrome was modernist at the time of Archbishop Lefebvre and still is modernist today, so no agreement is possible at all.

As an additional information: Fr Maeßen was a former German SSPX district superior, he's uncompromisingly pro Archbishop Lefebvre, and by now he usually stays in an old people's home and is just working sometimes in SSPX chapels (where he gives very ardent sermons with an immense love for Archbishop Lefebvre). In contrast to some younger priests he's not in fear of certain superiors.

Now comes the crowning moment:
After his short speech, about three-quarters of the priests applauded Fr Maeßen !

(And I know of priests who liked to applaud too, but didn't dare because of potential sanctions against them.)

Quote from: Charles

Quote from: pbax

The only reason BF is not selling out is not because of him at all, but because of the opposition he got at the superiors meeting and the opposition his group got trying to sell it to SSPX in Germany and other countries.

Really ? Who said what at the meeting ?
Honest question. Can you quote those who were there ?

Well, I can -- what's concerning the mentioned German meeting. I've by now double-checked the story and I'm sure it's accurate in its main points.

The best part however is that in Albano something similar must have happened, so the German district meeting was just a kind of final rehearsal for Albano. Thank God! :-)

I'm going to quote my initial report from this Cathinfo thread with just a few minor corrections:

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At the end of September 2011 there was a SSPX' meeting of all priests working or staying in Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), with their district superior Fr Schmidberger. That's a bare 50 priests or so.

The special speaker was Bp Fellay's first assistant, Fr Pfluger from Menzingen.
He's a Swiss-German priest and the mentor of Zionist Krah (or the other way round). Some say he's the most dangerous cleric in the entire SSPX. (Verifiable he's one of the clerics who hate Bishop Williamson the most.)

On this meeting Fr Pfluger tried for about two hours to advocate a SSPX agreement with Newrome. He mentioned that they want a contract with Newrome, based on an edited version of Newrome's offer.
He's being fully supported by Fr Schmidberger's assistant and public relation man Fr Steiner, who also edits the messy official SSPX newsletter. (There for example he wrote a weird Big-Bang propagation in spring 2010.)
Although Fr Schmidberger didn't and doesn't speak as openly as Fr Pfluger on this matter, good sources tell me that considering a contract with Newrome Fr Schmidberger is in the same boat with Pfluger and Steiner.

After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the elder father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense speech which just lasted a few minutes. With his impressive arguments he completely swept away in a few minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.
After Fr Maeßen's counterattack, Fr Pfluger was not only silent but pale. He was unable to reply anything, which is a rare moment!

Fr Maeßen's underlined as the crux of the matter, that Newrome was modernist at the time of Archbishop Lefebvre and still is modernist today, so no agreement is possible at all.

As an additional information: Fr Maeßen was a former German SSPX district superior, he's uncompromisingly pro Archbishop Lefebvre, and by now he usually stays in an old people's home and is just working sometimes in SSPX chapels (where he gives very ardent sermons with an immense love for Archbishop Lefebvre). In contrast to some younger priests he's not in fear of certain superiors.

Now comes the crowning moment:
After his short speech, about three-quarters of the priests applauded Fr Maeßen !

(And I know of priests who liked to applaud too, but didn't dare because of potential sanctions against them.)

Thanks, interesting stuff.

I have no opinion of what went on there (at Albano). I just thought there might be an interview or article I missed. All I know for sure is that the meeting occurred.

Unfortunately, none of us probably will.  But Ethelred's input helps us to triangulate and come up with a reasonable assessment of what probably occured.  Others report that a number of priests in attendance offered plenty of resistance.  I think we can pretty well conclude that +F and Fr. Phluger have been thwarted in making any kind of agreement with New Rome.