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  • note: no joke April 1

    http://syllabus-errorum.blogspot.com.ar/2013/04/grave.html

    Google translatión:

    GRAVE

    If what you say is true, is very serious and should be alerted to the good soldiers of Tradition and good membership.

    If what is said is false, it will only be a pointless gossip and nothing has changed with publication. Moreover, everything is possible these days, watching the downslide that has taken the Fraternity.

    We say this because we usually do not avail ourselves of gossip and rumors to attract readers to our blog (we leave that to start it), but if the species were to be confirmed, would be well worth the notice to avoid the disaster that we want to take.

    Anyway, THE INFORMATION COMES FROM RECENTE WORDS OF A PRIEST OF THIS DISTRICT.

    We received this story from our source: they would be thinking about the possibility of putting as General Superior to Bishop of Galarreta, to stem the flow of priests and reassure the troops overall, tactics include asking some priests to return, what which would ease the minds of many .... and destroy RESISTANCE, removing sense because "everything will be as before"! It would be another masterstroke of Satan to raise false hopes in those who resist the desire to agree with modernist Rome as Bishop de Galarreta is, in substance, the same line of Bishop Fellay, and it would continue moving in the backroom the strings of power without actually changing the direction of the Society of Saint Pius X. Such a ploy is to change to Bishop Fellay, VICIOUS OF LIBERALISM (to use an expression of P. Sarda y Salvany), by Bp. de Galarreta, ALSO OF LIBERALISM vicious, though perhaps to a lesser degree. HOWEVER, THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE SSPX IS THAT ALL OF VICIOUS LIBERALISM ABANDON positions of power.

    God save the Catholic tradition of all his enemies and keep awake to those opposed to liberalism of Bishop Fellay and his accomplices. AND ALL SPIRING TO REGULARIZED ROME BY LIBERAL, MODERNISTE AND APOSTATE.

    NB: remember-for now-one appointment by Bp. de Galarreta is the man who said quietly: "Because it is almost impossible for most, the Superior of the Fraternity, after a frank discussion, a thorough analysis of all aspects of all the consequences-is unthinkable that most mistake in time ", then to add (and transcribed VERSIONS THIS IN FRENCH, ENGLISH AND SPANISH has been removed, can be verified BUT AT LEAST UNTIL TODAY IN AUDIO CONFERENCE IN DICI): "And if so, by chance, an impossible happens, well, so much the worse!, anyway, let's do what most people think" (Conference in Villepreux, France , October 13, 2012). From which some tradiliberales hid or unwilling to learn from that last sentence, clung to his defense in that it is legitimate and normal aristocrats qualified peer measures are decided by a majority, that is not what to say here comes Galarreta but affirms and accepts and gives his accession to the equivalence between the truth and the number, but he's seen and verified that it is not at all unthinkable that most mistake in prudential and other materials, as already seen in the Church and in the same fraternity. And if we're wrong, concludes de Galarreta-must follow the majority rather than the truth. Whereupon comes to accepting that which Pius IX condemned in the Syllabus, namely:

    LX. The authority is not simply sum of the number and material forces.
    (Maxima quidem, June 9, 1862)

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    Bishop Fellay strategic output and Bishop de Galarreta input?
    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 07:44:15 AM »
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  • Possibly it's Google's translation, but I just couldn't make much sense or don't quite understand what this all means..... :confused1:


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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 08:38:38 AM »
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  • It seems to be pointing out a rumour - the words of one priest, possibly misheard, misinterpreted, or badly spoken - that Bp. de Galarreta will replace Bp. Fellay as Superior General, to reassure the Society. It goes on to point out why, if true, nobody should be reassured.

    I agree: if the rumour is true, nobody who is in the resistance or thinking of joining it would be much reassured. In fact, that is so obvious at this point, that of itself it makes a good case against the rumour being true.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 10:50:10 AM »
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  • My translation skills are poor, but perhaps this will help understand better what is being said:

    If what is said is true, it is very serious and the good soldiers of Tradition and the good flock should be alerted to this.

    If what is said is false, it will still be unsubstantiated gossip and nothing will have changed with its publication.  On the other hand, everything is possible during these times, seeing the downward spiral of the Fraternity.

    We say this because we do not usually avail ourselves of gossip and rumours to attract readers to our blog (as we have stated from the beginning), but if the remarks were to be confirmed, this advice may be useful and avoid us being lead into disaster, which is want they want.

    Anyway, THE INFORMATION COMES RECENTLY FROM A PRIEST OF THIS DISTRICT.

    We received this story from our source: they are thinking of the possibility of making Bishop de Galarreta the Superior General, in order to stem the flow of priests and reassure the troops overall, the tactics would also include asking some priests to return, which would calm the minds of many .... and destroy the RESISTANCE, removing direction / meaning so that "everything will be as before"!  It would be another masterstroke of Satan to raise false illusions among those who resist an agreement with modernist Rome, as Bishop de Galarreta is, in substance, on the same wavelength as Bishop Fellay, who would continue to pull the strings of power behind the scenes without actually changing the course of the Society of Saint Pius X.  The ploy is to change Bishop Fellay, who is IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM (to use an expression of P. Sarda y Salvany), with Bishop de Galarreta, ALSO IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM, though perhaps to a lesser degree.  HOWEVER, THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE SSPX IS THAT ALL THOSE WHO ARE IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM ABANDON their positions of power.

    God save the Catholic tradition from all his enemies and keep alert all those opposed to the liberalism of Bishop Fellay and his accomplices. AND FROM ALL THOSE ASPIRING FOR A REGULARISATION WITH LIBERAL, MODERNIST AND APOSTATE ROME.

    NB: Let us remember just one statement calmly said by Bishop de Galarreta: "It is almost impossible for the majority, the Superior of the Fraternity - after a frank discussion, a thorough analysis of all aspects, of all consequences - it is unthinkable that the majority could make such an error on matters of prudence", and then added (transcribed VERSIONS OF THIS WERE AVAILABLE IN FRENCH, ENGLISH AND SPANISH but have since been removed, but can still be verified ON DICI’S AUDIO CONFERENCE): "And if, by chance, the impossible happens, well, so much the worse!, in any case, we will do what the majority think" (Conference in Villepreux, France, October 13, 2012).  Some liberal tradis ignored or were unwilling to listen to this last sentence, and instead clung on to the defence that it is legitimate and acceptable that qualified peers and aristocrats decide measures by a majority, which is not what Galarreta says, but rather affirms and accepts and gives his support that truth and number are equivalent; but it has already been seen and verified that it is not absolutely unthinkable that the majority can make an error on matters of prudence and on other matters, as already seen in the Church and in the Fraternity.  And if there is an error, concludes Bishop de Galarreta, you must follow the majority rather than the truth.  Whereupon he comes to accept that which Pius IX condemns in the Syllabus, namely:

    LX. Authority is nothing more than the sum of the number and of the material strengths.


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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 12:58:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: 1917
    My translation skills are poor, but perhaps this will help understand better what is being said:

    If what is said is true, it is very serious and the good soldiers of Tradition and the good flock should be alerted to this.

    If what is said is false, it will still be unsubstantiated gossip and nothing will have changed with its publication.  On the other hand, everything is possible during these times, seeing the downward spiral of the Fraternity.

    We say this because we do not usually avail ourselves of gossip and rumours to attract readers to our blog (as we have stated from the beginning), but if the remarks were to be confirmed, this advice may be useful and avoid us being lead into disaster, which is want they want.

    Anyway, THE INFORMATION COMES RECENTLY FROM A PRIEST OF THIS DISTRICT.

    We received this story from our source: they are thinking of the possibility of making Bishop de Galarreta the Superior General, in order to stem the flow of priests and reassure the troops overall, the tactics would also include asking some priests to return, which would calm the minds of many .... and destroy the RESISTANCE, removing direction / meaning so that "everything will be as before"!  It would be another masterstroke of Satan to raise false illusions among those who resist an agreement with modernist Rome, as Bishop de Galarreta is, in substance, on the same wavelength as Bishop Fellay, who would continue to pull the strings of power behind the scenes without actually changing the course of the Society of Saint Pius X.  The ploy is to change Bishop Fellay, who is IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM (to use an expression of P. Sarda y Salvany), with Bishop de Galarreta, ALSO IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM, though perhaps to a lesser degree.  HOWEVER, THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE SSPX IS THAT ALL THOSE WHO ARE IMBUED WITH LIBERALISM ABANDON their positions of power.

    God save the Catholic tradition from all his enemies and keep alert all those opposed to the liberalism of Bishop Fellay and his accomplices. AND FROM ALL THOSE ASPIRING FOR A REGULARISATION WITH LIBERAL, MODERNIST AND APOSTATE ROME.

    NB: Let us remember just one statement calmly said by Bishop de Galarreta: "It is almost impossible for the majority, the Superior of the Fraternity - after a frank discussion, a thorough analysis of all aspects, of all consequences - it is unthinkable that the majority could make such an error on matters of prudence", and then added (transcribed VERSIONS OF THIS WERE AVAILABLE IN FRENCH, ENGLISH AND SPANISH but have since been removed, but can still be verified ON DICI’S AUDIO CONFERENCE): "And if, by chance, the impossible happens, well, so much the worse!, in any case, we will do what the majority think" (Conference in Villepreux, France, October 13, 2012).  Some liberal tradis ignored or were unwilling to listen to this last sentence, and instead clung on to the defence that it is legitimate and acceptable that qualified peers and aristocrats decide measures by a majority, which is not what Galarreta says, but rather affirms and accepts and gives his support that truth and number are equivalent; but it has already been seen and verified that it is not absolutely unthinkable that the majority can make an error on matters of prudence and on other matters, as already seen in the Church and in the Fraternity.  And if there is an error, concludes Bishop de Galarreta, you must follow the majority rather than the truth.  Whereupon he comes to accept that which Pius IX condemns in the Syllabus, namely:

    LX. Authority is nothing more than the sum of the number and of the material strengths.


    If any of this were true, they would need to show some good will and to re-instate Bishop Williamson first.


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  • Quote from: Machabees

    If any of this were true, they would need to show some good will and to re-instate Bishop Williamson first.


    Or at least try. I would have my doubts about Bishop Williamson accepting such an offer in the future. He sees that Rome has found a way into the society; it is too weak as it is, which is why I think I see him favoring, still, the loose network of independent priests.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 03:09:10 PM »
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  • Given the right conditions I think Bishop Williamson accept an invitation, since he considers himself still a part of the SSPX.  I'm not holding my breath for those conditions to be fulfilled.  Neither for Bishop Fellay to step down.  

    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.


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  • I don't think Bishop Williamson is naive enough to again place himself, and the souls now entrusting themselves to him, into a position where they can, even after he's gone, be in a similar or worse future danger. His views are clear: the very structure of the Society permits rome to penetrate it. If he did return, it wouldn't be the same Society we see today; that's for sure.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 03:24:25 PM »
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    Given the right conditions I think Bishop Williamson accept an invitation, since he considers himself still a part of the SSPX


    Bishop Williamson has remained faithful to the heritage of Archbishop Lefebvre and is still part of the SSPX.

    He is correct not to pay his fine in regard another matter often discussed. He has never left the SSPX so shouldn't accept conditions to return to the fold. It is Bishop Fellay and others, who have betrayed Archbishop Lefebvre. They need to get rid of Bishop Fellay.(peacefully of course)


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    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 03:26:55 PM »
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  • At this stage a line is drawn in the sand and people are at the point of no return. I favour the loose network of independent priests. It is already taking root across the world.

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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.


    This is one of the reasons why I am surprised that Fellay wants a deal with Rome. If that ever happened it wouldn't be long before Fellay was replaced with someone more liberal who started doing things like forcing the SSPX priests to say the Novus Ordo and other liberal things. I think Fellay even if he is a traitor is too conservative for the Novus Ordo and he will lose all the power he has if ever a deal is made (unless he is even more liberal than I think and he really wants to destroy the society).
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.


    This is one of the reasons why I am surprised that Fellay wants a deal with Rome. If that ever happened it wouldn't be long before Fellay was replaced with someone more liberal who started doing things like forcing the SSPX priests to say the Novus Ordo and other liberal things. I think Fellay even if he is a traitor is too conservative for the Novus Ordo and he will lose all the power he has if ever a deal is made (unless he is even more liberal than I think and he really wants to destroy the society).


    Yes, but those who take the bait never think it "could happen to them".
    A product of hubris.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 03, 2013, 01:21:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    Quote from: Machabees

    If any of this were true, they would need to show some good will and to re-instate Bishop Williamson first.


    Or at least try. I would have my doubts about Bishop Williamson accepting such an offer in the future. He sees that Rome has found a way into the society; it is too weak as it is, which is why I think I see him favoring, still, the loose network of independent priests.


    As it stands now, I think you're correct.

    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Given the right conditions I think Bishop Williamson accept an invitation, since he considers himself still a part of the SSPX.  I'm not holding my breath for those conditions to be fulfilled.  Neither for Bishop Fellay to step down.  

    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.



    Also true, as far as it goes, but I think the picture is bigger than this.


    Quote from: s2srea
    I don't think Bishop Williamson is naive enough to again place himself, and the souls now entrusting themselves to him, into a position where they can, even after he's gone, be in a similar or worse future danger. His views are clear: the very structure of the Society permits rome to penetrate it. If he did return, it wouldn't be the same Society we see today; that's for sure.


    Once again, true enough, for there is more to it than just +W and the SSPX.



    This is closer to what +W has to say on this, which is why he has said so.

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    Given the right conditions I think Bishop Williamson accept an invitation, since he considers himself still a part of the SSPX
    Bishop Williamson has remained faithful to the heritage of Archbishop Lefebvre and is still part of the SSPX.

    He is correct not to pay his fine in regard another matter often discussed. He has never left the SSPX so shouldn't accept conditions to return to the fold. It is Bishop Fellay and others, who have betrayed Archbishop Lefebvre. They need to get rid of Bishop Fellay.(peacefully of course)



    Unfortunately, +Fellay isn't going to go "peacefully."  Nor are his supporters
    going to sit by "peacefully" while he is removed by whatever it takes.  This
    could get real ugly.  The question is, is it worth fighting for?  What would be
    gained?  Civil authorities are going to step in, and you know whose side they
    are on.  That's the problem.  +Fellay knows where his buddies are placed,
    and he knows he has the material support of civil courts, like the Hague, for
    example.  Do you think that crypto-Jews are going to be on +W's side.  Get
    a grip!  

    Quote from: John Grace
    At this stage a line is drawn in the sand and people are at the point of no return. I favour the loose network of independent priests. It is already taking root across the world.


    I would expect that +W is smart enough to know that it's going to take
    some kind of divine intervention for him to be reinstated to the SSPX,
    for his return would spell the shall-we-say "colorful" expulsion of a lot
    of dead wood?  Too many "unimaginative, uninspiring company men,"
    as the new Recusant calls them, and aptly so.  It would be a major
    shake-up.  

    For just as ABL had a conversion after he signed the protocol in May 5th of
    1988, on May 6th he took his signature back (thank God!) and came out
    swinging.  No MORE were his nice-nice words.  He would only deal from
    thence on a doctrinal level with Rome.  So too, +W would deal with the
    SSPX priests on a doctrinal level, and use the approach of Pope St. Pius X,
    who required a laundry list of exercises and promises by every cleric
    in the Church.  So too it would be in the SSPX: shape up or ship out.

    IMHO.


    I am reminded of the Traditio.com criticism of the Ignatian Retreat method
    on the basis that it is "too military."  This is what is required in a situation
    where a military-like skirmish is imminent.  The general(s) would require
    the military obedience of their troops, and the tactics and strategy would
    have to be that of warfare and combat.  It would be stupid to send your
    soldiers into the field without any military training, and that is what the
    Ignatian method is all about.  I think it would work, and I suspect that +W
    would not entirely disagree.  I'm sure he's got his own take on this, though.




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    « Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 01:40:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.


    This is one of the reasons why I am surprised that Fellay wants a deal with Rome. If that ever happened it wouldn't be long before Fellay was replaced with someone more liberal who started doing things like forcing the SSPX priests to say the Novus Ordo and other liberal things. I think Fellay even if he is a traitor is too conservative for the Novus Ordo and he will lose all the power he has if ever a deal is made (unless he is even more liberal than I think and he really wants to destroy the society).



    You are, I must say, on the right track but you're out of touch with the most
    current thought.  You are about 3 issues behind in The Recusant.  

    Matto, Rome is going to destroy +Fellay once they have gotten out of him
    what they want from him.  He will then be useless.  Rome knows talent when
    they see it, and +Fellay's isn't what they're looking for.  Of course, they are
    smart enough to know that they can get more out of him by leading him on
    to believe that there is a nice reward of Jurisdiction for him, which is really
    his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  But his luck would be the luck of
    the Irish, and his reward would be a pot of plug nickles with gold-colored
    plating!  He will be left holding the bag, as they say, if he survives.

    Rome doesn't have any need for him or others like him, once they have
    the real estate and whatever's left of the SSPX Faithful.  They are merely trying
    to play it out so as to make their "catch" of Faithful all the more.  

    This is why the Resistance is so important.  The more support it has, the
    more Rome is going to back off, because snatching the SSPX when there is
    a viable Resistance will turn into a major controversy, and the media will have
    a heyday, making Rome look like the bad guy.  So it's all image and
    appearances, or, "smoke and mirrors."  The reality they want is in your mind.



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    « Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 09:30:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    It's rare for those with real power to voluntarily relinquish it.


    This is one of the reasons why I am surprised that Fellay wants a deal with Rome. If that ever happened it wouldn't be long before Fellay was replaced with someone more liberal who started doing things like forcing the SSPX priests to say the Novus Ordo and other liberal things. I think Fellay even if he is a traitor is too conservative for the Novus Ordo and he will lose all the power he has if ever a deal is made (unless he is even more liberal than I think and he really wants to destroy the society).


    I think Bp. Fellay (he himself) truely believes that he's the next "great one" aka Saviour of the Faith whom will convert all of Rome, and do all of this from within the Vatican. His pride has overtaken his Faith. Foolishness!!!

    After jumping into a pool of pirhana's, a bleeding man would have much better luck in surviving.
    Still very foolish.  

     

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