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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 09:04:49 PM »
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  • Well put Finegan!

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    Blah, blah, blah. Bishop Felley said absolutely nothing in this "interview." Same old PR speak. We've heard this same stuff before. He has learned well from the masters in Rome. As others have said, you must judge this man by his actions -- not his words. At this point, Bishop Fellay has no real credibility in the court of public opinion. He has flip-flopped, back-tracked and bamboozled far too much to be taken seriously.


    +Fellay is so gravely incompetent to run the SSPX... he always has been!!!  With all his "grace of state" he was unable to recognize that although "rome" walked and talked apostate, he was unable to determine that indeed it was apostate (even though ABL recognized it).   The other (and more likely) side of the coin is... he was chosen to lead the "false V2 resistance".

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    « Reply #16 on: July 16, 2012, 09:39:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

    Traditional Catholics have seen their appeals to Rome since the end of Vatican II for definitive judgments from the Chair of Peter on questions of doctrine and liturgical practice met with stoned silenced.  Finally, Rome publically enters into "doctrinal discussions" the question of traditional Catholicism, and representing traditional Catholicism is the incompetent Bishop Bernard Fellay.  In his secret negotiations with divinely revealed truth, it never entered into this man's head to demand from Rome a syllabus of errors on the "hermeneutic of rupture"; to demand definitive dogmatic declarations from the Chair of Peter on clearly articulated doctrinal propositions; to demand a declaration from the Chair of Peter on the rights of immemorial tradition, particularly the right of the faithful to the "received and approved" immemorial Roman rite of Mass.  

    Bishop Fellay carried out his doctrinal discussions in the context of the 'hermeneutic of continuity' of Pope Benedict and the legitimacy of the Reform of the Reform.  It is hard to believe that he could be so incompetent and yet the only alternative to this is a willing betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre and all who have fought to defend our Faith since the close of Vatican II.  If this man had any character at all, any sense of honor or shame, he would resign immediately.  What do we get?  Another self-serving interview with prepared questions and more of his secrecy that may be proper for the Masonic brotherhood but is out of place in the public defense of Catholic Truth.

    If Bishop Fellay does not step down from the SSPX leadership or if he cannot be removed, the other bishops should directly begin ordaining other bishops and priests for all traditional Catholic communities so that never again will the light of Catholic tradition fall into the incompetent hands of Bishop Fellay.


     :applause:


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    « Reply #17 on: July 16, 2012, 09:43:12 PM »
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  • I just read some of the interview and could not get past this quote:

    "For us what is more important and more alarming is his leading role at the head of the Congregation for the Faith, which must defend the Faith with the proper mission of fighting doctrinal errors and heresy. Numerous writings of Bishop Mueller on the real transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, on the dogma of Our Lady’s virginity, on the need of conversion of non-Catholics to the Catholic Church… are questionable, to say the least! There is no doubt that these texts would have been in the past the object of an intervention of the Holy Office, which now is the very Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith presided by him."

    If +Fellay defended the honor of Our Most Holy and Virginal Mother as he defends his own, he would do alright!  Is he afraid to offend Bishop Muller? He should be more afraid of offending God by such weak statement. Bishop de Galarreta already labeled it for what it is: Heresy.

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    « Reply #18 on: July 17, 2012, 05:49:15 AM »
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  • DICI : What are your thoughts on the appointment of Archbishop Mueller as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith?

    Bishop Fellay : It is nobody’s secret that the former bishop of Regensburg, where our seminary of Zaitzkofen is located, does not like us. After the courageous action of Benedict XVI on our behalf, in 2009, he refused to cooperate and treated us like if we were lepers!


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    Amazing? Doesn't BpFellay know that BXVI appointed Ap Mueller as Prefect of the CDF?

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    « Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 07:24:29 AM »
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    Traditional Catholics have seen their appeals to Rome since the end of Vatican II for definitive judgments from the Chair of Peter on questions of doctrine and liturgical practice met with stoned silenced.  Finally, Rome publically enters into "doctrinal discussions" the question of traditional Catholicism, and representing traditional Catholicism is the incompetent Bishop Bernard Fellay.  In his secret negotiations with divinely revealed truth, it never entered into this man's head to demand from Rome a syllabus of errors on the "hermeneutic of rupture"; to demand definitive dogmatic declarations from the Chair of Peter on clearly articulated doctrinal propositions; to demand a declaration from the Chair of Peter on the rights of immemorial tradition, particularly the right of the faithful to the "received and approved" immemorial Roman rite of Mass.  

    Bishop Fellay carried out his doctrinal discussions in the context of the 'hermeneutic of continuity' of Pope Benedict and the legitimacy of the Reform of the Reform.  It is hard to believe that he could be so incompetent and yet the only alternative to this is a willing betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre and all who have fought to defend our Faith since the close of Vatican II.  If this man had any character at all, any sense of honor or shame, he would resign immediately.  What do we get?  Another self-serving interview with prepared questions and more of his secrecy that may be proper for the Masonic brotherhood but is out of place in the public defense of Catholic Truth.

    If Bishop Fellay does not step down from the SSPX leadership or if he cannot be removed, the other bishops should directly begin ordaining other bishops and priests for all traditional Catholic communities so that never again will the light of Catholic tradition fall into the incompetent hands of Bishop Fellay.


     :applause:


    Thank you, I would love to take credit for that, but I had asked a friend's opinion and that is what he said.
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    « Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 03:05:02 PM »
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    This made it possible for us to conduct direct discussions which have cleared out the doubts and dissipated any misunderstandings, resulting in peace and unity of hearts, which of course is something to rejoice about.


     Sounds good, I pray that the talks with Rome move forward and are successful.


    Yeah, it sounds great for those who like heresies, doesn't it?

    But a Catholic praying that the talks with the antichrist rome are successful?  Did you read what bishop Fellay is saying about the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith?  Do you know bishop Muller was appointed by BXVI?  Would you like the SSPX being along with those who doubt about Our Lady's virginity and deny the Transubstantiation?  Do you think bishop Fellay, with his society (it really seems it's his or at least he behaves as if it were) will convert rome, when bishop Fellay himself does not have the courage to call bishop Muller's writing heresies as they undoubtedly are?

    Bishop Fellay prefers politics and diplomacy.  But he seems to forget that the Mother of God is being offended!  God Himself is being offended!  And he prefers diplomacy?

    No one, being Catholic, could do so.  Not to say a priest, nor a bishop, nor a Priestly Society's superior.

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    « Reply #21 on: July 17, 2012, 08:39:50 PM »
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  • +Fellay quotes the SSPX's "To restore all things in Christ".  But if the agreement is sealed, that will have to change along with the name change to the "Society of Sainte Saviour" (correct me if I'm wrong).  Maybe something like: "...all that is carried along by the stream's silvery cascade, rythmically falling from the mountain, carried by it's own current--carried where?"--  "Blessed" Pope John Paul II.  Kyrie Eleison.   :cry:
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    « Reply #22 on: July 17, 2012, 10:02:09 PM »
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    This made it possible for us to conduct direct discussions which have cleared out the doubts and dissipated any misunderstandings, resulting in peace and unity of hearts, which of course is something to rejoice about.



    Please tell me now, are your doubts cleared out?  Do you all understand what is going on and what is being said?  Do you feel at peace?
    Is your heart still united to SSPX?
    and .......are you all rejoicing???


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    « Reply #23 on: July 18, 2012, 12:24:38 AM »
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    This made it possible for us to conduct direct discussions which have cleared out the doubts and dissipated any misunderstandings, resulting in peace and unity of hearts, which of course is something to rejoice about.



    Please tell me now, are your doubts cleared out?  Do you all understand what is going on and what is being said?  Do you feel at peace?
    Is your heart still united to SSPX?
    and .......are you all rejoicing???


    Rejoicing at all this diabolical disorientation?

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    « Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 01:32:45 AM »
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    +Fellay quotes the SSPX's "To restore all things in Christ".  But if the agreement is sealed, that will have to change along with the name change to the "Society of Sainte Saviour" (correct me if I'm wrong).  Maybe something like: "...all that is carried along by the stream's silvery cascade, rythmically falling from the mountain, carried by it's own current--carried where?"--  "Blessed" Pope John Paul II.  Kyrie Eleison.   :cry:


    "Blessed" by those damned by God Himself:
    http://www.barhama.com/PAVETHEWAY/rabbis.html

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    « Reply #25 on: July 18, 2012, 01:34:28 AM »
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    Traditional Catholics have seen their appeals to Rome since the end of Vatican II for definitive judgments from the Chair of Peter on questions of doctrine and liturgical practice met with stoned silenced.  Finally, Rome publically enters into "doctrinal discussions" the question of traditional Catholicism, and representing traditional Catholicism is the incompetent Bishop Bernard Fellay.  In his secret negotiations with divinely revealed truth, it never entered into this man's head to demand from Rome a syllabus of errors on the "hermeneutic of rupture"; to demand definitive dogmatic declarations from the Chair of Peter on clearly articulated doctrinal propositions; to demand a declaration from the Chair of Peter on the rights of immemorial tradition, particularly the right of the faithful to the "received and approved" immemorial Roman rite of Mass.  

    Bishop Fellay carried out his doctrinal discussions in the context of the 'hermeneutic of continuity' of Pope Benedict and the legitimacy of the Reform of the Reform.  It is hard to believe that he could be so incompetent and yet the only alternative to this is a willing betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre and all who have fought to defend our Faith since the close of Vatican II.  If this man had any character at all, any sense of honor or shame, he would resign immediately.  What do we get?  Another self-serving interview with prepared questions and more of his secrecy that may be proper for the Masonic brotherhood but is out of place in the public defense of Catholic Truth.

    If Bishop Fellay does not step down from the SSPX leadership or if he cannot be removed, the other bishops should directly begin ordaining other bishops and priests for all traditional Catholic communities so that never again will the light of Catholic tradition fall into the incompetent hands of Bishop Fellay.


     :applause:


    Thank you, I would love to take credit for that, but I had asked a friend's opinion and that is what he said.


     :applause:


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    « Reply #26 on: July 18, 2012, 02:18:39 AM »
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    If Bishop Fellay does not step down from the SSPX leadership or if he cannot be removed, the other bishops should directly begin ordaining other bishops and priests for all traditional Catholic communities so that never again will the light of Catholic tradition fall into the incompetent hands of Bishop Fellay.


    "If the diplomats who have mishandled our relations with Russia were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.” James Forrestal

    Is he incompetent or an enemy agent? His handling of Bishop Williamson, and I'm referring to Krahgate, suggests the latter.

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    « Reply #27 on: July 18, 2012, 05:42:37 AM »
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    This made it possible for us to conduct direct discussions which have cleared out the doubts and dissipated any misunderstandings, resulting in peace and unity of hearts, which of course is something to rejoice about.



    Please tell me now, are your doubts cleared out?  Do you all understand what is going on and what is being said?  Do you feel at peace?
    Is your heart still united to SSPX?
    and .......are you all rejoicing???


    Rejoicing at all this diabolical disorientation?


    Well put.  As a matter of fact, things are going from bad to worse.  What a charade.  This interview, if nothing else, should be the catalyst for the other three bishops to proceed with actions to ensure that +ABL's Society continues untainted and unharmed.
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    « Reply #28 on: July 18, 2012, 07:20:42 AM »
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    If Bishop Fellay does not step down from the SSPX leadership or if he cannot be removed, the other bishops should directly begin ordaining other bishops and priests for all traditional Catholic communities so that never again will the light of Catholic tradition fall into the incompetent hands of Bishop Fellay.

    ...
    Is he incompetent or an enemy agen? His handling of Bishop Williamson, and I'm referring to Krahgate, suggests the latter.


    Yes, and his handling of a pact with New-Rome (for all one is worth -- even by risking the "loss" of his three anti-modernistic SSPX bishops, see his letter to them from 14 April 2012) suggests it even more.

    Now of course some will cry "calumny" etc when in reality we're just speculating by means of the obvious facts. But an increasing number of earned anti-modernistic SSPX priests also suspect what you said, Thursday.


    Still I would like to ask: Who could remove Bp Fellay or make him to step down? Because I don't see anybody in a position to do so. I think we can only watch and pray.

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    « Reply #29 on: July 18, 2012, 08:00:47 AM »
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  • Very interesting that +Fellay is suspected of being an enemy agent by a few people.   Last evening, I had a conversation with a former SSPX priest, during which I suggested that it seemed that the SG must be acting for the enemy.  My remark was met with a long pause, and then he stated that I had just verbalized his worst fear.