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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on May 27, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
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I'm surprised no one posted this here yet (come on, guys!):
In the course of a long sermon pronounced on Pentecost Sunday in Villepreux, France, during the pilgrimage of priests and faithful to Orléans (not Paris this year, in celebration of the 600th anniversary of the birth of St. Joan of Arc), the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, had some words on current affairs with Rome. The general context of the sermon is the birth of the Church in Pentecost and trust in Divine Providence when all seems lost, as they seemed in Joan's France, even if (and especially because) the future is unknown.
We transcribe below our translation of the portion of the sermon dealing with such matters, and apologize in advance for any mistakes. The general oral tone and sense of the words were kept as much as possible.
Another thing very similar is the lamentable, almost despairing, situation, not of a country, but of the Church, the Church, the Bride of Christ in such a situation! Who could imagine it? The demolition, the blows suffered, for, by and following the Council, they're there, right before us. Sad. Lamentable. We dare to think, "how will the Church rise again?" And, we dare say, humanly, it's over. But we don't have the right of saying "humanly" when we talk about the Church, because the Church remains, she remains, the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ. And, even if we see her in this lamentable state, we don't have the right to associate this lamentable state with the Church and then say, "the Church is no more". No! The Church remains, but as if disfigured, as if having generalized cancer, and we have this certitude that she will rise again. ...
When we say that Rome would like to give us a canonical recognition, we are filled with mistrust. By seeing the way with which the authorities have treated Tradition and all that have a little bit of a traditional sentiment, or traditional leanings, when we see how they have been treated, we are filled with mistrust. And even with fear. Fear of the future, and we say, "but how will this be possibly done?" But do we have the right of feeling this way? Aren't they real, very true, feelings, and too human?...
Certainly, it is necessary to act with all prudence, certainly, by analyzing the dangers, by seeing if it is possible or not, but up to now, my dear brethren, we may say that a certain direction seems to appear, that might say that it might perhaps be possible that we be recognized, that we continue, but, up to this moment, I don't have, I myself, all the elements, one could say, the final elements, that may allow me to say, "yes or no". And thus up until today, and well that's where we are . ... That's all of it. If we have elements that are sufficient for deciding that, yes, it is possible, well then, we can reach the conclusion. And if we reach the conclusion that, no, it isn't possible, it's too dangerous, then, no, it's impossible, this cannot go on. And we'll say "no". That's it. It is not we who will try to impose upon the Good God our decision, our will. On the contrary, we try to search, by way of events, things that go on, what is His will, what does He want, the Good God? It is so surprising that we reach this point. It was not we who looked for it. Today, at least I reach this certainty, that the one who wants to recognize the Society is, in the end [bel et bien], the Pope. I see that, in Rome, everyone is not of the same mind. In Rome and elsewhere. But the Pope, yes. And then will he go until the end? Will he give in when faced with pressure, with opposition? ... Let us pray, let us continue to pray, let us ask for this light for all. That we may remain very united. Because it is true that such a decision, and it is also one of the reasons for this fear, it implies such a change of perspective... . From some parts we hear, "is that possible?" With all the elements I have in my hands, I say, "yes, it seems possible to me", but, once again, with the condition that we are left free to act. It seems clear that, if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church, if we can speak like this. Therefore not for us only, but also for all the Church, so that the whole Church may gain from it, from this magnificent thing, the Christian life.
There are certainly lots of questions, that remain open. This question of a non-entente on certain points of the Council, we are not in agreement. It is precisely this that is surprising: why then, why then offer us this path, there must well be a reason. ... the reason is this state of the Church.
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Ever notice how the situation always seems fuzzy and confused the way he describes it?
And yet we know there's a serious effort to keep the negotiations secret.
There's a lot of smoke, a lot of incense smoke being use on the Faithful right now, it must be hard for a lot people to hear and see what's going on.
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And too many sermons about "obedience" in our parish.
The same false obedience that won Vatican II for Lucifer is being used by him again.
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And too many sermons about "obedience" in our parish.
The same false obedience that won Vatican II for Lucifer is being used by him again.
Yes, unfortunately.
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Similarly, I do believe, Bishop Fellay sees no clash between Benedict XVI and his SSPX. But Bishop Fellay's SSPX is no longer the SSPX of the Archbishop, alas.
Left to themselves, I do declare that Bishop Fellay and Benedict XVI would get on together "like a house on fire". Both are typically modern men.
Bishop Fellay shows symptoms of delusions of grandeur, and of seeking totalitarian control, but I find it difficult to believe that he will get away indefinitely with oppressing his colleagues.
Priests of the SSPX have in them, in my humble opinion, too much of that pre-Conciliar "obedience", and Bishop Fellay is exploiting that weakness to the full.
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It seems that if there is anything that will stop this process, it will be the Vatican and the conciliar establishment. Again we are told Ratzinger is under seige and the Society has to come to his aid. I sense some backtracking just in case but the momentum has to be maintained because this is what Bp. F wants .... or is it divine providence?
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It seems that if there is anything that will stop this process, it will be the Vatican and the conciliar establishment. Again we are told Ratzinger is under seige and the Society has to come to his aid.
Yes, the poor besieged prisoner of the Vatican.
Archbishop Lefebvre had strong words for people who pretended such things.
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I now think a decision will be announced Wednesday or Thursday of this week.
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If the earlier report is correct that it will not be looked at until after the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul (June 29), then I would speculate a July 9th announcement. What better way to announce the capitulation of the SSPX to the Conciliar church than to pervert Saint Thomas More's defence of the papacy.
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It seems that if there is anything that will stop this process, it will be the Vatican and the conciliar establishment.
Yes. And this is well possible.
I've got the impression Bp Fellay and his sellout team have shot their bolt (and too early). They loose their moment of surprise.
This doesn't mean the sellout team isn't dangerous anymore. But clearly a fast "GO" from New-Rome would have meant immense difficulties for the resistance. Now it seems the resistance can organise their strong counterstrike well. Let's pray for the three bishops, and for their allied clerics and laypeople.
Again we are told Ratzinger is under seige and the Society has to come to his aid.
An amazing unreal explanation! But then, those wanting to do the sellout chose to ignore the reality...
The good Bishop once said:
The will must want reality, otherwise the mind will never find the truth. Truth for us men lies in the conformity of our minds to reality.
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Read "War On" by Fr. Chazal and you see the real colors of Bp. Fellay and how the past 12 years has all come down to a well planned sellout of SSPX. Read it 3x and you'll see how Bp. Fellay and cronies have deceived us this whole time.
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I've got the impression Bp Fellay and his sellout team have shot their bolt (and too early). They loose their moment of surprise.
Exactly what I think. There is some backtracking going on and a little humility is creeping into his tone. Can he (and his team) really revert back to being the carrier of ABL's flame? He has had to douse most of that flame in the waters of conciliarism.
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I've got the impression Bp Fellay and his sellout team have shot their bolt (and too early). They loose their moment of surprise.
Exactly what I think. There is some backtracking going on and a little humility is creeping into his tone. Can he (and his team) really revert back to being the carrier of ABL's flame? He has had to douse most of that flame in the waters of conciliarism.
I believe there's no reverting back anymore. The division is there and hardens with every new double-thinking interview given by the liberal bishop. It would take years to repair what he has destroyed in a few weeks publicly.
It's just the question who wins: the true followers of Archbishop Lefebvre, i.e. Bishop Williamson and his allies, or the sellout team, i.e. Bishop Fellay and his men. We'll see soon, and our prayers will help.
And indeed, as you say, Bp Fellay seems to sense that he has shot his bolt -- and missed...
That could be the reason why apparently there's a little humility creeping in his tone. However, if we listen carefully to solid persons knowing him well, we learn that true humility is not in his repertory.
So I believe that what we hear in Bp Fellay's tone, is just the swelling panic of a soon to be dethroned sovereign. Because that he wanted to be: a sovereign, and the master-mind who tops Archbishop Lefebvre... When actually the poor bishop should just have stayed on the line of the society's founder. But, alas, he failed miserably. And it will have severe consequences. Thank God, because that purge is needed desperately for the truth parts of the SSPX to survive.
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I've got the impression Bp Fellay and his sellout team have shot their bolt (and too early). They loose their moment of surprise.
Exactly what I think. There is some backtracking going on and a little humility is creeping into his tone. Can he (and his team) really revert back to being the carrier of ABL's flame? He has had to douse most of that flame in the waters of conciliarism.
I believe there's no reverting back anymore. The division is there and hardens with every new double-thinking interview given by the liberal bishop. It would take years to repair what he has destroyed in a few weeks publicly.
It's just the question who wins: the true followers of Archbishop Lefebvre, i.e. Bishop Williamson and his allies, or the sellout team, i.e. Bishop Fellay and his men. We'll see soon, and our prayers will help.
And indeed, as you say, Bp Fellay seems to sense that he has shot his bolt -- and missed...
That could be the reason why apparently there's a little humility creeping in his tone. However, if we listen carefully to solid persons knowing him well, we learn that true humility is not in his repertory.
So I believe that what we hear in Bp Fellay's tone, is just the swelling panic of a soon to be dethroned sovereign. Because that he wanted to be: a sovereign, and the master-mind who tops Archbishop Lefebvre... When actually the poor bishop should just have stayed on the line of the society's founder. But, alas, he failed miserably. And it will have severe consequences. Thank God, because that purge is needed desperately for the truth parts of the SSPX to survive.
Bishop Fellay and his henchmen must be kicked out.
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Bishop Fellay and his henchmen must be kicked out.
Absolutely.
A true SSPX which truly follows Archbishop Lefebvre's line can only survive if the liberal leadership is replaced with a true traditional one.
But will the SSPX superiors and elders be strong enough to do that on the general council in June?
There they would have to openly announce their distrust in the leadership and call for an election. Technically this is possible definitely. But will the priests and bishops be strong and united enough? May God help us.
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Anybody know Bishop Fellay's middle name?
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Bishop Fellay and his henchmen must be kicked out.
Absolutely.
A true SSPX which truly follows Archbishop Lefebvre's line can only survive if the liberal leadership is replaced with a true traditional one.
But will the SSPX superiors and elders be strong enough to do that on the general council in June?
There they would have to openly announce their distrust in the leadership and call for an election. Technically this is possible definitely. But will the priests and bishops be strong and united enough? May God help us.
This liberal coup has been in motion for quite a few years, the voting block has been systematically purged of resistors and replaced with new more compliant Priests. Even the final positions of the other Bishops, save one, are uncertain.
We are in dark and dangerous waters at present. God will always help us if we remain faithful.
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Bishop Fellay and his henchmen must be kicked out.
Absolutely.
A true SSPX which truly follows Archbishop Lefebvre's line can only survive if the liberal leadership is replaced with a true traditional one.
But will the SSPX superiors and elders be strong enough to do that on the general council in June?
There they would have to openly announce their distrust in the leadership and call for an election. Technically this is possible definitely. But will the priests and bishops be strong and united enough? May God help us.
This liberal coup has been in motion for quite a few years, the voting block has been systematically purged of resistors and replaced with new more compliant Priests.
Yes, J.Paul, this is true.
The motu proprio, the revocation of the "excommuncation", the doctrinal discussions, the asking for rosary crusades, etc was only a stage play by Bp Fellay and his actual string puller Fr Pfluger (who was and is the rank liberal from his early days in the SSPX).
Now some readers will say: Oh, how can you say such a nasty thing, you don't know it... !
Well, I encourage such naive readers to directly ask those people who do know. They'll confirm it you. They'll have time for you, because hardly anybody asks...
It was all a big farce.
(The vast majority of SSPX priests and laypeople didn't know this. They're innocent, so to speak. It's the head which is utterly rotten.)
Even the final positions of the other Bishops, save one, are uncertain.
Oh, we have to pray for them.
We are in dark and dangerous waters at present.
Indeed. And the more you dig, the darker it gets... It is absolutely disgusting.
For sure the Krahgate was only the top of the iceberg. A bitter foreteaste, so to speak.
God will always help us if we remain faithful.
That we know for sure. So in the end, we've nothing to fear. God bless you!
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Anybody know Bishop Fellay's middle name?
Benedict-arnold
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This liberal coup has been in motion for quite a few years, the voting block has been systematically purged of resistors and replaced with new more compliant Priests.
Yes, J.Paul, this is true.
The motu proprio, the revocation of the "excommuncation", the doctrinal discussions, the asking for rosary crusades, etc was only a stage play by Bp Fellay and his actual string puller Fr Pfluger (who was and is the rank liberal from his early days in the SSPX).
Now some readers will say: Oh, how can you say such a nasty thing, you don't know it... !
Well, I encourage such naive readers to directly ask those people who do know. They'll confirm it you. They'll have time for you, because hardly anybody asks...
It was all a big farce.
(The vast majority of SSPX priests and laypeople didn't know this. They're innocent, so to speak. It's the head which is utterly rotten.)
To the friend of Bp Fellay and his sellout team, here on Cathinfo, who thumbs down the posts of those who rightly attack the betrayers Bp Fellay and the string puller Fr Pfluger:
Listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's Pentecost sermon. I never heard of the man before, but for sure he's a faithful and truthful priest. And the truth shall set you free! What he says about what's going on, you can also hear from other SSPX priests, who don't even know him, because it's true what they say.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/SSPX-Rome-sermon-by-Fr-Joseph-Pfeiffer
P.S. Pfeiffer with two "f" -- old German gag. God bless him!
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This liberal coup has been in motion for quite a few years, the voting block has been systematically purged of resistors and replaced with new more compliant Priests.
Yes, J.Paul, this is true.
The motu proprio, the revocation of the "excommuncation", the doctrinal discussions, the asking for rosary crusades, etc was only a stage play by Bp Fellay and his actual string puller Fr Pfluger (who was and is the rank liberal from his early days in the SSPX).
Now some readers will say: Oh, how can you say such a nasty thing, you don't know it... !
Well, I encourage such naive readers to directly ask those people who do know. They'll confirm it you. They'll have time for you, because hardly anybody asks...
It was all a big farce.
(The vast majority of SSPX priests and laypeople didn't know this. They're innocent, so to speak. It's the head which is utterly rotten.)
To the friend of Bp Fellay and his sellout team, here on Cathinfo, who thumbs down the posts of those who rightly attack the betrayers Bp Fellay and the string puller Fr Pfluger:
Listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's Pentecost sermon. I never heard of the man before, but for sure he's a faithful and truthful priest. And the truth shall set you free! What he says about what's going on, you can also hear from other SSPX priests, who don't even know him, because it's true what they say.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/SSPX-Rome-sermon-by-Fr-Joseph-Pfeiffer
P.S. Pfeiffer with two "f" -- old German gag. God bless him!
People in this area are certainly familiar with the two brothers. Shipped off to the asia district in foreknowledge of what was coming.
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Millions of Rosaries were prayed on the promise that there would be no deal until doctrinal issues were resolved. May God have mercy on the lying blasphemer, his court Zionist, and their manipulative cronies for their works of darkness breaking that promise. God bless good priests and bishops.
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Anybody know Bishop Fellay's middle name?
LOL. I ask a simple, innocent and neutral question with absolutely no negative connotation, yet somebody thumbs me down. :dancing-banana: