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Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 09:55:03 AM »
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  • In the article from the first link in the OP, Bishop Fellay makes no mention whatsoever of the "conciliar church." He's discussing the state of the church, but makes no distinction at all between the Catholic Church and the conciliar church. Maybe he hopes that everyone will forget that there's a difference. And he makes a stupid comment about the Resistance too:

    "The Church is not yet totally dead; the living God is in it. And we are part of the Church. "It is a very deep trial." I may say that it is the deepest the Church has ever had. That's why we have priests calling themselves the Resistance, or even sedevacantists. They are so fixated on the reality of the sufferings of the Church that they ran away. "We reject what is wrong, but we do not reject the Church."



    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 12:06:33 PM »
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  • I may be the victim of delusion.  That's entirely possible.  It may be that prejudice against Bp. Fellay and the Society is now so deeply embedded in my psyche, that I can not view the situation objectively.  Nevertheless, accompanying the words of the Superior General, I seem to hear in the background a distinct hiss of the Serpent.

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 05:54:48 AM »
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  • I may be the victim of delusion.  That's entirely possible.  It may be that prejudice against Bp. Fellay and the Society is now so deeply embedded in my psyche, that I can not view the situation objectively.  Nevertheless, accompanying the words of the Superior General, I seem to hear in the background a distinct hiss of the Serpent.
    You are not delusional.
    The First Commandment was broken by JPII in 1986 at Assisi.
    The Sixth Commandment has been discarded by Bergoglio in Amoris Laetitia.
    This is the Conciliar Church in action.
    There is always the distinct hiss of the Serpent in the background

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 11:01:50 AM »
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  • I would think the sspx could provide a precise written update to the state of the society than an hours long anguish.


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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 11:26:06 AM »
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  • I wouldn't even look at it, I have only to look around my Chapel to know the state of the society.

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 01:51:53 PM »
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  • Stgobnait:
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    I wouldn't even look at it, I have only to look around my Chapel to know the state of the society.

    Well, exactly.  We had only to observe what was going on in our own sspx chapel to understand the true state of the society.
    Yes, a written report would have been preferable.  But Fellay, apparently, went into one of Menzingen's business accounts and extracted enough cash to fund an expensive flight to the US, in order to address his people face to face.  On arrival, we know he visited at least one chapel.  Did he visit others?  Who knows?  In any case, Ignatius, it wasn't an "(hour's) long anguish." It was more like two and one half hours of anguish.  I plunged into its gray depths for almost that  period of time, and am now decompressing.
    Surely, captive trads will eventually wake up.  But I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 02:21:51 PM »
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  • In the article from the first link in the OP, Bishop Fellay makes no mention whatsoever of the "conciliar church." He's discussing the state of the church, but makes no distinction at all between the Catholic Church and the conciliar church. Maybe he hopes that everyone will forget that there's a difference. And he makes a stupid comment about the Resistance too:

    "The Church is not yet totally dead; the living God is in it. And we are part of the Church. "It is a very deep trial." I may say that it is the deepest the Church has ever had. That's why we have priests calling themselves the Resistance, or even sedevacantists. They are so fixated on the reality of the sufferings of the Church that they ran away. "We reject what is wrong, but we do not reject the Church."

    Unbelievable, that some people think the SSPX hasn't changed. Bishop Fellay has us pegged all right -- we have the old "SSPX" position whereas he has a CONSERVATIVE NOVUS ORDO position. 
    He doesn't speak about the "Crisis in the Church", "Conciliar Church", etc. which is second nature for any TRADITIONAL Catholic.

    Here's your proof, boys and girls. He criticizes the Resistance precisely because we are what the SSPX used to be, and then he proceeds to attack and mock the position.

    Does anyone not see this bait & switch?  What happened to "The Resistance is all full of it, they're seeing things that aren't there, people that have given up on their spiritual lives, etc."

    No, he has started telling the truth now on this one topic. He hates and is disgusted by HIS OWN FORMER POSITION and sees it LARGE AS LIFE in the Resistance -- and he hates it.
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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 03:28:03 PM »
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  • Unbelievable, that some people think the SSPX hasn't changed. Bishop Fellay has us pegged all right -- we have the old "SSPX" position whereas he has a CONSERVATIVE NOVUS ORDO position.
    He doesn't speak about the "Crisis in the Church", "Conciliar Church", etc. which is second nature for any TRADITIONAL Catholic.

    Here's your proof, boys and girls. He criticizes the Resistance precisely because we are what the SSPX used to be, and then he proceeds to attack and mock the position.

    Does anyone not see this bait & switch?  What happened to "The Resistance is all full of it, they're seeing things that aren't there, people that have given up on their spiritual lives, etc."

    No, he has started telling the truth now on this one topic. He hates and is disgusted by HIS OWN FORMER POSITION and sees it LARGE AS LIFE in the Resistance -- and he hates it.

    Good observations above. Bp. Fellay does seem to mock those Catholics, or rather Resistance priests, whom he accused of being stuck in the reality of the sufferings of the Church, and thus they have run away. But how can he say such a thing, when the Resistance priests simply adhere to what +ABL believed after he consecrated the four bishops?

    I just finished listening to the entire two-and-a-half hour long talk by Bp. Fellay, which I recommend doing, if only to see how Bp. Fellay does not follow the thinking of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Not once in the whole talk does he make any mention at all about the "conciliar church." He makes no distinction at all. How can this be, when +ABL frequently made the distinction? Bp. Fellay keeps mentioning the suffering Church, and equates the suffering church with Our Lord's suffering on the Cross, and that we must not run away from the Cross, or the Church. But he makes a poor analogy, IMO. The Church is currently occupied by Modernists who do not reflect Our Lord in His suffering, which Bp. Fellay says nothing about. It was still Our Lord and God on the Cross, but the men who inhabit Rome do not care about Our Lord on the Cross.

    Also, Bp. Fellay explains the history of the SSPX, and he also talks about the problems of the Council. He gives a long explanation of how communism and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ have infiltrated the Church, but not once does Bp. Fellay say anything about modernism, except when he talks about the 2009 negotiations, when the SSPX accused the Roman side of the negotiation of being modernists. That's it. Nothing else at all about modernism, in a very long talk about the SSPX, the Council, and the state of the SSPX. That in itself is quite disturbing.

    Bp. Fellay goes on and on in the last 40 minutes or so about how the faithful cannot reject the Church, and that's why he keeps going back to Rome, because he cannot reject the Church. Well, which church is he talking about? The conciliar church? Or the Catholic Church? It's difficult to say, since he apparently doesn't believe that there's such a thing as a conciliar church, or modernism, due to a lack of referring to them. It's almost like he's telling the faithful to not run away from the SSPX and join up with the Resistance, or with sedes. He doesn't say this outright, but he seems to infer it. He says that God is with the SSPX.

    I could write more, but it would be nice to see the views of others who have listened to the whole thing. Not fun, but useful.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 02:20:53 PM »
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  • Catholics are being too kind to Bishop Fellay on this thread.  The speech could not be more brazenly in support of apostasy and shamelessly collaborationist with the Neo-Liberal Marxist tyranny now savagely oppressing Christians everywhere.

    The underlying falsehood in the speech is the absurd claim that Bishop Fellay and his followers are somehow siding with Christ Crucified and not at the forefront of the howling seething mob now crucifying Him in His Church.  To use the Gospel analogy, how is siding with Pope Caiphas and Herod-Hillary-Obama against the Crucifed (in the form of His Church) in any way not the worst rejection of Our Lord conceivable?  The False Prophet and usurping Pope Francis is anything but any kind of image of Christ Crucified.  Not at all.  The utterly depraved Pope Bergoglio is the perfect image of the apostate High Priest Caiphas if ever there can be such a thing.

    So here is Bishop Fellay and his weird giggling audience smugly pretending that High Priest Caiphas is God, while they bay for the innocent blood of Christ in form of the faithful Catholics being murdered, raped and plundered from one end of the planet to the other.  What nice people they are not.  A mob of Leftist traitor scuм, no doubt about it.

    Catholics need to wake up and, so to speak, smell the coffee.  The devastation since 1914 has been the Apocalypse, as Our Lady of Fatima and the great recent Popes have so clearly told us.  Now the Catholic Nationalists are busy across the world defending and fighting for the liberty of Holy Mother Church and the one true Roman Catholic People of God.  Alongside a few brave Protestant allies, we should allow.

    We are no longer waiting for the Apocalypse in some far away future.  The Catholics have already been there and done that.  At present the Parousia of Christ is on, in the form of the Catholic Nationalist champions of His Kingship and sovereignty.  While the idiot Bishop Fellay and his demented tittering audience gleefully circle the wagons around their ridiculous usurper Pope Caiphas.

    So it’s to each their own, and the terminally insane Fellay and his heartless arrogant followers will rot in hell, both in this life and the next, together with their Red High Priest False Prophet and their Herodian Leftist demagogues.

    What a mob of brainless fools.  May they enjoy their just reward, because for them it is already everlasting.

    And, fellow Catholics, please don't blame the messenger here.  We live in dangerous and exciting times.  Fellay and Company freely choose to mock the terrible Apocalypse through which we have been living and too frequently dying.  That is their mistake.  God has rendered them mad and then He freely chooses to go forth to destroy them.  And that is God's own decision to make, not ours.  Let us have the sanity to distinguish between the тαℓмυdic Great Apostasy and the One True Roman Catholic Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  

    Then we can rest assured that all will be well with us.  
        

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    Re: Bishop Fellay on the State of the Society
    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2018, 02:32:07 PM »
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  • Sean Johnson chimes in:
    (oops, I posted this in the wrong place. Still, it helps to show the SSPX's new orientation, so I'll leave a copy here.)

    Friends-

    Fr. Paul Robinson (SSPX) has recently written a book titled "The Realist Guide for Religion and Science," for which some information can be gleaned from this website promoting the book:

    https://therealistguide.com/

    On the following link, you can read an unbelievable 2-page Foreword, which seems to partially rehabilitate JPII, BXVI, Francis, and the deceased modernist Fr. Stanley Jaki as "moderate realists."

    https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/be041786-0638-4702-8262-80efb99dfec3/downloads/1c5r4kp28_40515.pdf

    Never mind that John Paul II espoused phenomenology (i.e., Objective truths exist, but human reason cannot access them, only their various manifestations, or "noumena.");

    Never mind that BXVI was primarily a Hegelian.

    Never mind that Francis (Francis!) is completely a-systemic, and the Foreword quotes him thusly:

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    "Pope Francis has also affirmed that realities are more important than ideas, and this flows from the doctrine of the Incarnation."
    Let that quote, coming from an SSPX-promoted book, sink in: "Realities are more important than ideas."

    This is the pollution coming from Bishop Fellay's ralliement: A practical accord (i.e., a reality) is more important than doctrine (i.e., ideas).

    SSPX priests are being infected by their Superior General, and Fr. Robinson very obviously wanted to show the Vatican just how open the new SSPX is to conciliarist modernism.

    And the deceased Fr. Stanley Jaki (whose organization has written this Foreword for Fr. Robinson)?  

    A thorough modernist, for whom science was superior to religion, having made many statements which implicitly deny the possibility of true miracles, such as this one regarding the miracle of the sun at Fatima:

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    "According to St. Thomas Aquinas a miracle in the strict sense is 'something done outside the order of the entire created universe.' According to Jaki, the fact that the event occurred and still inspires the faithful to this day is the greater miracle."  http://www.catholicstand.com/fr-stanley-jaki-on-the-fatima-miracle/
    And in Jaki's introduction to the English-language translation of Abbe Augustin Barruel's masterpiece "Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism" (which Weishaupt's conspiracy against altar, throne, and society), he makes this bewildering statement:

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    "The teaching of Thomas Aquinas and of Bellarmine, that the people were the ultimate source on earth of political authority and power, was not something that Barruel would fully appreciate." (p. xiv)
    Some of you in this email are quite well read on St. Thomas Aquinas, and I should be extremely surprised if he ever taught such a thing!

    Nonetheless, these are the people Fr. Robinson wants to promote his book: All of them conciliarist modernists to the man.

    Obviously, the neo-SSPX is losing its mind (and its faith).

    As time marches on, you can expect much more of this.  It is only natural.

    Cardinal Cottier would be quite pleased to see the "progress" Menzingen is making towards conciliarism, as he once counseled regarding Campos: "What is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts...we must be patient...gradually, we must expect additional steps, like concelebration...reconciliation carries within itself its own internal dynamism [self-censorship]."

    Indeed it does, and Fr. Robinson's book is one more piece of evidence of that "dynamism."

    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson
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