Author Topic: Fr. Becks Sermon on Modesty, St Marys, KS. Jul 10 2016. (Read 9244 times)

apollo · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2016, 02:01:05 PM »

I the risk of belaboring the topic, I submit below which I found on this webpage:
http://drbo.org/dnl/TWSG_print.pdf

“...[A] noble lady, who was exceedingly pious,
asked God to make known to her what
displeased His Divine Majesty most in persons of
her sex. The Lord vouchsafed in a miraculous
manner to hear her. He opened under her eyes
the Eternal Abyss.

There she saw a woman a
prey to cruel torments and in her recognized one
of her friends, a short time before deceased. This
sight caused her as much astonishment as grief:
the person whom she saw damned did not seem
to her to have lived badly. Then that unhappy
soul said to her:

‘It is true that I practiced religion,
but I was a slave of vanity. Rued by the passion
to please, I was not afraid to adopt indecent
fashions to attract attention, and I kindled the fire
of impurity in more than one heart. Ah! If
Christian women knew how much immodesty in
dress displeases God!’

At the same moment, this
unhappy soul was pierced by two fiery lances,
and plunged into a caldron of liquid lead.”

Fr. X. Schouppe (see p. 12)

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2016, 07:22:31 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Interesting comments about what the priest's job is. If the father isn't doing his job, is it the priest's job to correct the father? When the SSPX took over the chapel that I used to attend, the priests made it clear to the parishioners that enforcing a "dress code" was not their responsibility and that they should bring any concerns to the priest and not try to correct the situation themselves.

The SSPX gives mixed signals.

1) The priest is not a man but a coward.
2) The fathers is not a man, nor a father, but a coward.

It is a problem of two males not being men.

Very few males are men anymore.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #32 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:42:42 AM »

"It's not my job" is another way of saying " I don't care very much"..

Sienna629 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 27, 2016, 01:18:36 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

As someone else cited here, Canon Law says otherwise; it is indeed the priest's responsibility. Of course, it's awkward for a priest to point out to a woman that her skirt is too short or if her breasts are hanging out. "Why are you looking?" is the usual slutty retort. But a priest could delegate this responsibility to some respected older ladies in the chapel.

The offenders do not want to hear it from anybody, period!

It makes no difference who would try to bring it to their attention. They know, and in most cases are just daring you to say something, to which you will get "the usual slutty retort". I'm not sure they would even blush if Our Lord confronted them.

Common sense and respect for others is simply gone today.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 27, 2016, 01:26:18 PM »

Quote from: apollo

....
I have seen whole families, with the father present, and the girls looked like they had
just come out of a fashion show, 4 inch high heels, tight dresses, lots of makeup and
nobody said anything. It has happened several times with this family and each time
the priest gives communion to the girls (no problem).....

This father is not really a Traditional Catholic, and he is going to have to answer for this failure to instruct his girls in Christian modesty at his Particular Judgment.

Pilar · « **Reply #35 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:54:50 PM »

I was present at this sermon. All I can say is that it was one of the best sermons on modesty I have heard in 50 years. Apollo is completely misrepresenting the sermon, either his is too dense to understand it or he is flat out lying. Nothing that Father said could be misconstrued as being liberal. It is the priests job to instruct all of us on modesty but it is not the job of priests to "enforce" modestly. They should not have to speak to a woman about her clothing. That is the husband's/father's duty. He did not say he would not refuse Holy Communion to someone poorly dressed. But the fact is, when at the altar rail, all a priest can see is the upper part of the person and not short skirts or pants. He is also focused on distributing Holy Communion without dropping Our Lord and not gawking at the women! And it is true that there are always new people coming to Mass who don't know any better.
This was a wonderful sermon that went into all of the deep, deep reasons why modesty is so important. There was something in it for everyone to ponder and it should have made the most worldly person think. And I am not and never have been a fan of Fr. Beck's style of sermons.
What is wrong with all of you here who take this Apollo character's word without any proof and go off half-cocked like some lynch mob? He should have to present a copy or link to an audio of the sermon. If he did, you would see how foolish you sound. Like a bunch of old hens. Disgusting and embarrassing that you claim to be traditional Catholics. You would have fit the role of those who were getting ready to stone the woman taken in adultery forgetting their own guilty sins. You sound as though you think you are perfect and holy. But what you come off as is small minded, little, petty souls who know nothing and care for nothing as long as they can tear others down.
There is nothing a Society priest can do to please you, you will find fault with anything at all. Do you even realize this is sinful?

"Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little, pick, pick, pick, talk a lot, pick a little more."
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Sienna629 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:18:23 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

As someone else cited here, Canon Law says otherwise; it is indeed the priest's responsibility. Of course, it's awkward for a priest to point out to a woman that her skirt is too short or if her breasts are hanging out. "Why are you looking?" is the usual slutty retort. But a priest could delegate this responsibility to some respected older ladies in the chapel.

If these women do not have enough respect for Our Lord in the Tabernacle to dress appropriately in the first place, it is quite unlikely that they are going to take correction from the priest or another parishioner. It will merely lead to an ugly confrontation.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:24:57 PM »

Quote from: apollo

I the risk of belaboring the topic, I submit below which I found on this webpage:
http://drbo.org/dnl/TWSG_print.pdf

“...[A] noble lady, who was exceedingly pious,
asked God to make known to her what
displeased His Divine Majesty most in persons of
her sex. The Lord vouchsafed in a miraculous
manner to hear her. He opened under her eyes
the Eternal Abyss.

There she saw a woman a
prey to cruel torments and in her recognized one
of her friends, a short time before deceased. This
sight caused her as much astonishment as grief:
the person whom she saw damned did not seem
to her to have lived badly. Then that unhappy
soul said to her:

‘It is true that I practiced religion,
but I was a slave of vanity. Rued by the passion
to please, I was not afraid to adopt indecent
fashions to attract attention, and I kindled the fire
of impurity in more than one heart. Ah! If
Christian women knew how much immodesty in
dress displeases God!’

At the same moment, this
unhappy soul was pierced by two fiery lances,
and plunged into a caldron of liquid lead.”

Fr. X. Schouppe (see p. 12)

Fr. Schouppe's books on Purgatory and Hell are excellent, filled with many such eye-opening anecdotes, and should be required reading for everyone.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:36:24 PM »

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

"It's not my job" is another way of saying " I don't care very much"..

No, not necessarily, especially in this case.................given the huge loss of common sense and lack of respect for authority nowadays, especially for priests and the like, some battles are not worth fighting to the death. The priest can let people know what is appropriate and what is not, as Father Beck obviously did in his sermon, but at some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions or answer to God for it.

It all boils down to a lack of respect for Our Lord, so maybe not even a belief in the True Presence?

apollo · « **Reply #39 on:** July 28, 2016, 02:01:35 PM »

Quote from: Pilar

All I can say is that it was one of the best sermons on modesty I have heard in 50 years. Apollo is completely misrepresenting the sermon, either his is too dense to understand it or he is flat out lying. Nothing that Father said could be misconstrued as being liberal. It is the priests job to instruct all of us on modesty but it is not the job of priests to "enforce" modestly. They should not have to speak to a woman about her clothing.

What is wrong with all of you here who take this Apollo character's word without any proof and go off half-cocked like some lynch mob? He should have to present a copy or link to an audio of the sermon.

You sound as though you think you are perfect and holy. But what you come off as is small minded, little, petty souls who know nothing and care for nothing as long as they can tear others down.

There is nothing a Society priest can do to please you, you will find fault with anything at all. Do you even realize this is sinful?

You sound like a woman who does not want a priest to embarrass you by telling you that
you are immodestly dressed.

The audio recording of the sermon will not be available for two more weeks.

If I were so holy, I would not have to worry about being tempted in the chapel.

The problem is that, in the summer time, immodesty is everywhere: grocery store,
shopping malls, the parks, the sidewalks, the homes of people I visit.

The text of the sermon was good, but one statement nullified the pie in the sky air-head
idea that women are going to get their internal state fixed after hearing the sermon.

It was the statement: "It's not the priests responsibility ..."

A rule that is not enforced is no rule at all, on planet Earth.

We had a similar sermon last year and I think the year before. Nothing changes for the
better. It just gets worse.

A reliable source told me that 70% of the men, in confession, have difficulty with the
sixth commandment.

Imagine the chief of police saying: Murder is terrible, rape is terrible, slashing throats
is terrible, BUT it's not my job to do anything about it. It's an internal problem that just
has to get fixed somehow.

apollo · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2016, 09:42:53 AM »

Rome's Exhortation to Those in Authority

1. The parish priest, and especially the preacher, when occasion arises, should, according to the words of the Apostle Paul (2 Tim. iv, 2), insist, argue exhort and command that feminine garb be based on modesty and womanly ornament be a defense of virtue. Let them likewise admonish parents to cause their daughters to cease wearing indecorous dress.

2. Parents, conscious of their grave obligations toward the education, especially religious and moral, to their offspring, should see to it that their daughters are solidly instructed, from earliest childhood, in Christian doctrine; and they themselves should assiduously inculcate in their souls, by word and example, love for the virtues of modesty and chastity; and since their family should follow the example of the Holy Family, they must rule in such a manner that all its members, reared within the walls of the home, should find reason and incentive to love and preserve modesty.

3. Let parents keep their daughters away from public gymnastic games and contests; but if their daughters are compelled to attend such exhibitions, let them see that they are fully and modestly dressed. Let them never permit their daughters to don immodest garb.

4. Superioresses and teachers in schools for girls must do their utmost to instill love of modesty in the hearts of maidens confided to their care and urge them to dress modestly.

5. Said Superioresses and teachers must not receive in their colleges and schools immodestly dressed girls, and should not even make an exception in the case of mothers of pupils. If, after being admitted, girls persist in dressing immodestly, such pupils should be dismissed.

6. Nuns, in compliance with the Letter dated August 23, 1928, by the Sacred Congregation of Religious, must not receive in their colleges, schools, oratories or recreation grounds, or, if once admitted, tolerate girls who are not dressed with Christian modesty; said Nuns, in addition, should do their utmost so that love for holy chastity and Christian modesty may become deeply rooted in the hearts of their pupils.

7. It is desirable that pious organizations of women be founded, which by their counsel, example and propaganda should combat the wearing of apparel unsuited to Christian modesty, and should promote purity of customs and modesty of dress.

8. In the pious associations of women those who dress immodestly should not be admitted to membership; but if, perchance, they are received, and after having been admitted, fall again into their error, they should be dismissed forthwith.

9. Maidens and women dressed immodestly are to be debarred from Holy Communion and from acting as sponsors at the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation; further, if the offense be extreme, they may even be forbidden to enter the church.

Donato Cardinal Sbaretti, Prefect

Congregation of the Council

Rome, January 12, 1930