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Bishop Fellay is Dealing With Two Contradictory Romes
« on: July 20, 2012, 02:16:40 PM »
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  • This is from April, but should offer some insight into what BF is dealing with. As he had said many times in many years previous what he hears from the Pope himself is often very different from what the CDF, curia, bishops spout to the press.  BF has said, and has held to, the proposition that the Society must have total freedom to act according to its mission from ABL as a precondition to any canonical structure. The apparent deal and the anticipation that it was imminent apparently came from word to BF from the Pope that the Society's altered version of the Preamble was acceptable. Thus the Society was apparently gearing up to come in "as is." However, as is typical, the enemies of the Pope and the Society said the preamble was NOT acceptable and they altered it back to what it was before. Before this happened, the "letters" between BF and the three were made public, certain Society priests started calling out BF as a devilish sell-out, etc etc. We on the ground level have no idea what information BF is privy to and what communications he is receiving from the Pope behind the scenes. Fr. Pfluger alludes to this in his talk. I AT LEAST think we should give this man, BF, the benefit of the doubt since he has spent almost his entire life faithful to Catholic Tradition and ABL. It seems the absolute worst elements of a minority of Trads (suspicion of everything and everyone, hot anger, rejection of any agreement with Rome on principle even if the Society stays "as is", conspiracism, paranoia, and cynicism) have taken over in some cases to the point of hysteria.

    I can see a reasoned argument for a rejection of a deal at this point and the three bishops spell out this point of view. I have no problem with Traditionalists who are against the deal. I just wish some would stop making this a character assassination, assuming the worst, about a man who has given us no reason to think such awful thoughts about him through the long years before and up until a few months ago. BF is still BF. He is trying to deal with a divided and contradictory Roman authority and have the Society, whole and entire, fight for Tradition, intact and "as is" with Roman sanction. If that sanction comes at a price of silence on the NO or VCII he WILL NOT TAKE IT as was made clear by the interview with the South American priest not too long ago who said he talked with BF.

    In any case, read the story below. It really gives you a fly on the wall view of what it is like to be in BF's shoes.

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/father-pfluger-sees-novus-ordo-being.html

    Father Pfluger Sees Novus Ordo Being Abolished in 20 Years

    Edit: there were some interesting elements regarding Father Pfluger's April 29th lecture to 'Spes Unica', including the important point that the Holy Father has accepted the preamble as it is written, including the Society's right to dialog about controversial points in the Vatican Council.


    It seems to be also that this has been picked up by Cardinal Brandmuller, who delivered some covering fire for the SSPX recently when he said that the two docuмents are not binding.



    "Our Problem is the Bishops"


    The first assistant of the Society of St. Pius X confirms:  "We know that the Pope is agreed to the new form of the Dogmatic Preamble."
     
    Father Pfluger's Lecture on unity at
    ‘Actio Spes Unica’.
    © pius.info  

    (kreuz.net, Hattersheim)  The Bishops deal with the Society of St. Pius X as if they were still excommunicated.

    The first assistant of the Society, Father Niklaus Pfluger, said this in a two hour lecture in the 25,700 population city of Hattersheim near Frankfurt am Main.

    The host for the event was 'Actio Spes Unica', an organization very closely bound too the Society.

    The break is obvious

    Father explained himself about the negotiations with the Vatican.

    At the end of the Dogmatic discussions it had been clear that there was no theological agreement.

    The theologians of the Society had  depicted a break in the Church before and after the Council.

    Because the Pope says it's so


    The Vatican theologians had want to  demonstrate continuity.

    They explained that the Second Vatican Council had ostensibly announced the enduring teaching of the Church.

    There were new teachings.

    It was established with the fact that the Pope says it's so.

    At the same time the Vatican theologians had admitted the ecclesiastical decline, the abuses, errors and scandals of the Conciliar Church.

    But they would not clearly admit to Father Pfluger that the Pastoral Council was the cause for this.

    No time lost with the doctrine of the faith


    Father Pfluger mentioned the September Meeting of the General Council of the Sciety with the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine and the Faith, William Cardinal Levada.

    There had been not a word lost about the Dogmatic Discussions.

    The Prince of the Church simply handed the text of the Dogmatic Preamble and proposed a Personal Prelature as the future legal form f the Society.

    Much is in disarray

    The second part of the discussion dealt with the Church crisis -- among other things in Germany.

    The Congregation sees, "that much is in disarray."

    That was discussed  -- said Father Pfluger -- also in a spontaneous discussion with the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine and the Faith, Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer (68)..

    The Archbishop openly said: "Our problem for the last twenty years are the Bishops, the theologians and the Universities."

    The Vatican doesn't speak with one voice

    Father Pfluger mentioned the docuмent to the Congregation from the middle of March.

    In that a positive answer was expected from the Society and in the opposite case threatened with excommunication.

    In any case, in the middle of March Bishop Bernard Fellay received a second dispatch: "You must not take that letter seriously."

    The Pope wants a solution and is prepared to be gracious.

    "We need the Societey"

    Father Pfluger cited a Cardinal, who regarding the breakdown in the Council said to Bishop Fellay: "We need you".

    For Father, that is one possible explanation why the Pope wants to achieve  the reconciliation, even though practically all of the Bishops are against him.

    It is after forty years for the Society a new situation, that a Pope offers a regularization almost without any concessions on the side of the Society.

    In the light of Tradition


    Father Pfluger mentioned the Dogmatic Preamble which the Society had reworked for the middle of April .

    The Pius text is shorter and more precisely formulated than the original edition by the CDF.

    The Society had enjoined in the text that the Pastoral Council and the subsequent Magisterium be discussed.

    The Pope is in Agreement

    Father let some information slip through.

    One knows, that the Pope is in agreement with the Society's version of the Preamble.

    The fact is only to be returned to the CDF, in order too follow normal channels.

    Pope Under Pressure


    Father stressed that "very many" in the CDF and inn the Vatican do not want a positive solution for the Society.

    There is "pressure" being exercised against the Pope.

    As an example, the clergyman described the Old Liberal President of the Pontifical Council for Unity, Cardinal Kurt Koch.

    He has already ruined his own Diocese of Basel as Basel:  "They don't come more modern than he, really."

    When he became a Roman Cardinal, he started praising the Old Mass.

    With 'kreuz.net' it's easier

    Father Pfluger mentioned his other crises in the Church during his lecture -- for example the time when there were three Popes simultaneously.

    There was no internet or television then, in order too find out, who the real Pope was.

    In the current crisis it's easier to inform yourself.  "Now we can go on 'kreuz.net' and look at what Father Andreas Steins is saying, what says Father Franz Schmidberger."

    In twenty years the Novus Ordo will be gone

    Father Pfluger ventured the understanding that the Pope is still not able to abolish the New Mass.

    At the present all priests and Bishops celebrate this rite.


    But: "In twenty years, then the Pope will do it."