Author Topic: Bishop Fellay interview. (Read 2996 times)

Nishant · « **on:** June 29, 2015, 11:38:26 AM »

In an interview last Saturday, Bishop Fellay discusses some recent developments in the Society's relations with the Roman authorities.

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In an interview with Fideliter in 2001, you mentioned the "movement of profound sympathy from the young clergy for the Society." Has this movement grown, especially with the motu proprio in 2007?

"Without a doubt! The motu proprio gave this movement a new impetus. And it is important to insist upon Benedict XVI's interest for the liturgy in general. He truly wished to put the entire traditional liturgy, not only the Mass, at the disposition of the priests and the faithful; this did not happen because there was too much opposition. But the young priests identify with this liturgy, precisely because it is timeless. The Church lives in eternity. The liturgy does also too, which is why it is always young. Close to God, it is outside of time. So it is no surprise that the baptismal character makes this harmony resound even in souls that have never known the liturgy. And the way the young priests react when they discover this liturgy is moving: they have the impression a treasure has been hidden from them." ...

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/06/sspx-superior-general-after-vatican.html

AJNC · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2015, 12:43:38 PM »

He also said this:

"The Society's weaknesses? The risk of separation is serious. Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the "Resistance", for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic. It is an objective, but relative danger. Most of the Society is healthy and will not fall into these illusions. This encourages us to rely upon supernatural means. God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

Centroamerica · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2015, 02:55:38 PM »

The "Holy sinner Church". Even Novus Ordo clergy have denounced this position here in Brazil, and Brazil has the biggest bunch of fruit loop liberals.

Sounds a lot like JP2.

By the way, has anybody asked Bishop Fellay lately if he considers JP 2 a saint?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2015, 03:07:36 PM »

Quote from: AJNC

He also said this:

"The Society's weaknesses? The risk of separation is serious. Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the "Resistance", for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic. It is an objective, but relative danger. Most of the Society is healthy and will not fall into these illusions. This encourages us to rely upon supernatural means. God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

This wasn't an English interview, correct?
I presume when he refers to the "risk of separation" he's speaking of SSPX & Rome.

There are many things wrong with this quote, but the only comment I have time to make is that perhaps God is speaking through circuмstances. People are leaving the SSPX in every direction and a solid number of those who stay do so because they don't see themselves as having any other options.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2015, 03:45:23 PM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei

From the interview...

Quote from: Bishop Fellay
To be more precise, we must avoid the caricature of wishing for a Church without wrinkles or stains here below: that is not what the good Lord promised us on this earth. That is not what the 'Holy Church' means; it means that she is capable of sanctifying using the means given by Our Lord: the sacraments, the Faith, discipline, religious life, the life of prayer.

Oh boy.... Is he preaching the "subsists in" theology of the new church religion?

"...wishing for a Church without wrinkles or stains..."

What? Don't we already have a Catholic Church, free from wrinkles or stains, free from contamination, incorrupt?

Quote from: Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos

During the lapse of centuries, the mystical Spouse of Christ has never been contaminated, nor can she ever in the future be contaminated, as Cyprian bears witness: ‘The Bride of Christ cannot be made false to her Spouse: she is incorrupt and modest. She knows but one dwelling, she guards the sanctity of the nuptial chamber chastely and modestly.'

Quote from: Pope St. Siricius

And so He has wished the beauty of the Church, whose spouse He is, to radiate with the splendor of chastity, so that on the day of judgment, when He will have come again, He may be able to find her without spot or wrinkle [Eph. 5:27] as He instituted her through His apostle.

Quote from: Second Council of Nicea

…Christ our God, when He took for His Bride His Holy Catholic Church, having no blemish or wrinkle, promised he would guard her and assured His holy disciples saying, I am with you every day until the consummation of the world.

What Church is Bishop Fellay referring to? Certainly not the Catholic Church...

+Fellay sounds like a true son of Francis. He has forgotten his spiritual father, ABL.

Magna opera Domini · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2015, 03:51:40 PM »

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In an interview with Fideliter in 2001, you mentioned the "movement of profound sympathy from the young clergy for the Society." Has this movement grown, especially with the motu proprio in 2007?

"Without a doubt! The motu proprio gave this movement a new impetus. And it is important to insist upon Benedict XVI's interest for the liturgy in general. He truly wished to put the entire traditional liturgy, not only the Mass, at the disposition of the priests and the faithful; this did not happen because there was too much opposition. But the young priests identify with this liturgy, precisely because it is timeless. The Church lives in eternity. The liturgy does also too, which is why it is always young. Close to God, it is outside of time. So it is no surprise that the baptismal character makes this harmony resound even in souls that have never known the liturgy. And the way the young priests react when they discover this liturgy is moving: they have the impression a treasure has been hidden from them." ...

Is this accurate? I've never encountered this statement. Rather that the Church as Bride of Christ will, through time, follow in His footsteps, culminating in an apparent death. Can any ex-seminarians instruct?

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2015, 04:08:20 PM »

Quote from: AJNC

He also said this:

"The Society's weaknesses? The risk of separation is serious. Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the "Resistance", for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic. It is an objective, but relative danger. Most of the Society is healthy and will not fall into these illusions. This encourages us to rely upon supernatural means. God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

Well, the sectarian Prince calling others so............. :scratchchin:

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God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

Ahh.......the revealing of those prudential truths......
When the Roman apostates offer Him his own fiefdom, it will be God manifesting His will.

We shall no longer be lead by Faith, Doctrine and Dogma, but by the events of our world.

A Sorry Man · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2015, 05:29:20 PM »

Bishop Fellay says re New Mass:

"What do you think of Cardinal Sarah's suggestion of introducing the traditional offertory into the New Mass?

"It is not a new idea; it has been around in Rome for ten years. I am glad it has been taken up again. Some criticize the idea, saying it is a way of mixing the profane with the sacred. On the contrary, in the perspective of bringing health back to the Church, I think it would be a great step forward, because the Offertory is a summary of the Catholic principles of the Mass, of the expiatory sacrifice offered to the Blessed Trinity, offered by the priest to God in reparation for sins, and accompanied by the faithful. And that would gradually bring the faithful back to the traditional Mass they have lost."

Hmmmm - is this modernism at work? Is this the groundwork for a 'New' New Mass? I seem to recall a wonderful Catholic Archbishop once said:

".....an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite....."

Bishop Fellay, please, what are you talking about?

PapalSupremacy · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2015, 06:05:19 PM »

Poor, deluded people who think that the Catholic Church, God's Church, can give them grave errors and endanger their salvation.

They do not know their Mother.

How far this is from Archbishop Lefebvre...

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2015, 07:16:08 PM »

Quote from: A Sorry Man

Bishop Fellay says re New Mass:

"What do you think of Cardinal Sarah's suggestion of introducing the traditional offertory into the New Mass?

"It is not a new idea; it has been around in Rome for ten years. I am glad it has been taken up again. Some criticize the idea, saying it is a way of mixing the profane with the sacred. On the contrary, in the perspective of bringing health back to the Church, I think it would be a great step forward, because the Offertory is a summary of the Catholic principles of the Mass, of the expiatory sacrifice offered to the Blessed Trinity, offered by the priest to God in reparation for sins, and accompanied by the faithful. And that would gradually bring the faithful back to the traditional Mass they have lost."

Hmmmm - is this modernism at work? Is this the groundwork for a 'New' New Mass? I seem to recall a wonderful Catholic Archbishop once said:

".....an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite....."

Bishop Fellay, please, what are you talking about?

The only thing that surprises me is that +Fellay can have any credibility at all. When Cardinal Canizares Llovera quoted +Fellay saying that if ABL had seen the (reform of the reform) Mass as offered at the Abbey near Florence, he (ABL) "would not have taken the step he did", +Fellay practically accused him of lying. Now he is admitting that dressing up the N.O.M "would gradually bring the faithful back to the traditional Mass". He clearly accepts the two rites as equal, all he need is one missal to compliment the other (Summ.Pont.) and bingo! we have the hybrid missal which would be enough for the new SSPX and any confounded souls who follow them.

AJNC · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2015, 10:45:42 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: AJNC
He also said this:

"The Society's weaknesses? The risk of separation is serious. Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the "Resistance", for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic. It is an objective, but relative danger. Most of the Society is healthy and will not fall into these illusions. This encourages us to rely upon supernatural means. God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

This wasn't an English interview, correct?
I presume when he refers to the "risk of separation" he's speaking of SSPX & Rome.

There are many things wrong with this quote, but the only comment I have time to make is that perhaps God is speaking through circuмstances. People are leaving the SSPX in every direction and a solid number of those who stay do so because they don't see themselves as having any other options.

When BXVI was elected pope, people, like Hutton Gibson and Novus Ordo Watch, predicted that he would cut a deal with Bp Fellay who would then go on to denounce other Traditional groups as non-Catholic. These people really knew what they were talking about!

AJNC · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:38:35 AM »

A few years ago, maybe 2011 or 2012, I had picked up an SSPX priest from the airport and was taking him to the chapel. (Some in India suspect this priest to be none other than the poster "Nishant").
I asked him about " the Deal". He began to positively salivate! He even said that all associated groups - including the Transalpine Redemptorists, who were in limbo at that time - would be included in the package. The TR, however, managed to join the Modernists on their own steam.
By the time we approached the chapel I was dry in the mouth and was getting heartburn. I then fired my Scud missile: What if after a deal the Conciliar Church allows married/women priests? (This was still in the reign of St BXVI)
"Oh! we will adhere even more profoundly to the Faith" said this latter day St Thomas Aquinas.

Has Bishop Fellay sounded out the Novus Ordo laity?. Will the women and laymen give up the liturgical privileges they now enjoy? Or will such problems be overcome by allowing them to celebrate the TLM?.