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Bishop Fellay I
« on: August 06, 2016, 03:46:40 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay – I

    Did the Society think it would save all?
    That was the pride which goes before a fall.


    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests. The Statement is in itself cryptic, but once deciphered (with the help of Fr Girouard), it is heavy with significance for the future of Catholic Tradition. Here is the merest outline of the first six paragraphs of the Statement, and the full text of the seventh:?—

    (1–4) Church and world are in crisis, because instead of turning around the Cross of Christ, they turn around man. The SSPX opposes this “deconstruction” of the Church and human society. (5) God’s own remedy for this disorder was to inspire an Archbishop to found a hierarchical Catholic Congregation turning around the sacrament of Holy Orders – Jesus Christ, his Cross, Kingship, sacrifice and priesthood, source of all order and grace, are what the Society founded by the Archbishop is all about.

    (6) So the SSPX is neither Conciliar (it turns around Christ) nor rebellious (it is hierarchical).

    (7) “Has the moment come for the general restoration of the Church? God’s Providence does not abandon God’s Church whose head is the Pope, the Vicar of Christ. That is why an indisputable sign of the general restoration will be when the Pope gives a sign of what he wants by granting the means to restore order in the priesthood, Faith and Tradition. This sign will in addition guarantee the Catholic unity necessary to the family of Tradition.”

    Clearly the first six paragraphs lead up to the seventh. And it is not unreasonable to take the seventh to mean that when Pope Francis gives official approval to the Society, then that will be the proof that the moment has come at last for the whole of the Catholic Church to g et back on its feet, for the Catholic priesthood, Catholic Faith and Catholic Tradition to be restored, and for all Traditionalists to join with the Society of St Pius X behind its Superior General. Bishop Fellay would seem to be repeating here for the benefit of all Society priests his steady vision of the Society’s glorious role, because at the Swiss meeting, as we hear, at least some of their Superiors had just questioned that glory coming in the form of reunion with official Rome. But those Superiors in opposition were right, because Bishop Fellay is here dreaming! It is a noble but deadly dream.

    The dream is noble, because it is all to the honour of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of his Church, of his sacrifice, of Archbishop Lefebvre, of the Catholic priesthood and so on. The dream is deadly because it turns rather on the priesthood than on the Faith, and while it credits quite correctly Pope Francis and the Romans with being the holders of Church Authority, it takes no account of how far they are from holding the Catholic Faith. If Archbishop Lefebvre can be said to have saved the Catholic priesthood and Mass, that was for him only as a means of saving the Faith. The Faith is to the priesthood as end to means, and not as means to end. What would the priesthood be without the Faith? Who would believe in the Sacraments? Who would need priests?

    And as to that Faith, the present Pope and the Roman officials who hold sway around him have lost their grip on Truth as being one, objective, non-contradictory and exclusive, and therewith they have lost their grip on the true Faith, not to say, lost the true Faith. That means that if Pope Francis did indeed approve officially of the Society, it would by no means be a sign of the Society restoring the Church to sanity, but rather of the official Church absorbing the Society into its insanity.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2016, 06:02:00 PM »
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    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests.


    I have often wondered where Rorate Caeli get their information on the SSPX (often reliable). Now I know they must have their own accordista priests in the inside leaking information to them.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2016, 07:29:38 PM »
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    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests.


    I have often wondered where Rorate Caeli get their information on the SSPX (often reliable). Now I know they must have their own accordista priests in the inside leaking information to them.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2016, 07:33:24 PM »
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  • Good Bishop Williamson is so off-base as the rest of the SS PX hierarchy are. Can't restore the church with a  Man in the chair of Peter who is neither a pope, a priest, or a bishop. The church will be restored when God  places a true pope in the chair of Peter.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2016, 08:38:32 PM »
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    Good Bishop Williamson is so off-base as the rest of the SS PX hierarchy are. Can't restore the church with a  Man in the chair of Peter who is neither a pope, a priest, or a bishop. The church will be restored when God  places a true pope in the chair of Peter.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2016, 10:34:35 AM »
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    because Bishop Fellay is here dreaming! It is a noble but deadly dream.

    The dream is noble, because it is all to the honour of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of his Church, of his sacrifice, of Archbishop Lefebvre, of the Catholic priesthood and so on. The dream is deadly because it turns rather on the priesthood than on the Faith, and while it credits quite correctly Pope Francis and the Romans with being the holders of Church Authority, it takes no account of how far they are from holding the Catholic Faith.


    Do  I understand the good bishop correctly?  Does he yet credit +Fellay with a "noble..dream?"  Listen, if I thought that Bp. Fellay had a noble bone in his body, I would still be a part of the SSPX.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2016, 11:00:09 AM »
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    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests.


    I have often wondered where Rorate Caeli get their information on the SSPX (often reliable). Now I know they must have their own accordista priests in the inside leaking information to them.


    They are also a gaggle of neo-Judaizers.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2016, 01:04:34 PM »
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    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests.


    I have often wondered where Rorate Caeli get their information on the SSPX (often reliable). Now I know they must have their own accordista priests in the inside leaking information to them.


    One of the listed contributors, presumably one of the anonymous ones, just has the connections necessary to get good information. I would bet money that one of the anonymous is SSPX (non Resistance, that blog was anti-SSPX once, so that's progress), or perhaps and Indult priest who is good at cultivating connections.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2016, 02:23:48 PM »
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    After the June 26–28 meeting of SSPX Superiors in Switzerland, the Superior General made not only for the general public the Communiqué of June 29, already examined in these “Comments” three weeks ago, but also a Statement on June 28 for the benefit of SSPX members, i.e. primarily SSPX priests.


    I have often wondered where Rorate Caeli get their information on the SSPX (often reliable). Now I know they must have their own accordista priests in the inside leaking information to them.


    One of the listed contributors, presumably one of the anonymous ones, just has the connections necessary to get good information. I would bet money that one of the anonymous is SSPX (non Resistance, that blog was anti-SSPX once, so that's progress), or perhaps and Indult priest who is good at cultivating connections.


    Which just goes to show that the SSPX has moved closer to the position of the Indult people including the FSSP.  That's "progress" in the minds of those who have long ago compromised their beliefs.  

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    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2016, 02:32:39 PM »
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    because Bishop Fellay is here dreaming! It is a noble but deadly dream.

    The dream is noble, because it is all to the honour of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of his Church, of his sacrifice, of Archbishop Lefebvre, of the Catholic priesthood and so on. The dream is deadly because it turns rather on the priesthood than on the Faith, and while it credits quite correctly Pope Francis and the Romans with being the holders of Church Authority, it takes no account of how far they are from holding the Catholic Faith.


    Do  I understand the good bishop correctly?  Does he yet credit +Fellay with a "noble..dream?"  Listen, if I thought that Bp. Fellay had a noble bone in his body, I would still be a part of the SSPX.


    Taken in isolation, converting the Catholic Church is objectively speaking a noble goal. That doesn't mean the holder of that goal is necessarily "noble". If he ignores huge pieces of evidence, he could be quite foolish. And his motives could be the opposite of noble.

    Bishop Williamson is the noble one, and he is merely passing over the goodness/evilness of Bishop Fellay -- in short, he is giving him credit for having what is objectively a noble goal. To use a common expression, he's "giving the devil his due". (NO I'M NOT SUGGESTING +FELLAY IS A DEVIL!)

    Making sure everyone has a job is a noble goal. But even if Obama pushes this as part of his platform, that doesn't necessarily make him a noble man. He might be pushing it so he can get re-elected, for the sake of his party, in response to his internal pollsters, etc. But it doesn't change the fact that making sure everyone is fed, housed, employed, etc. is OBJECTIVELY speaking, in isolation, a noble goal rather than a base one.

    Last but not least, YES Bishop Fellay has some good points. He is not pure evil. Unless one is filled with hatred for +Fellay personally, a person should be able to acknowledge, objectively, what is good and what is deficient about the man.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 07, 2016, 02:52:42 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay – I

    Did the Society think it would save all?
    That was the pride which goes before a fall.


    Clearly the first six paragraphs lead up to the seventh. And it is not unreasonable to take the seventh to mean that when Pope Francis gives official approval to the Society, then that will be the proof that the moment has come at last for the whole of the Catholic Church to get back on its feet,


    I read #1-6 and I knew exactly what was coming, #7, except I just saw it as ruse.

    Bishop Fellay is led by someone else, he is a puppet, he does not have the capacity to conceive the metamorphoses the SSPX has been undertaking for the last 20+- years. Now he will join Rome and be recognized as an "official" bishop, his only "dream".
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    « Reply #11 on: August 07, 2016, 07:56:55 PM »
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  • The bishop's thinking makes any pope redundant. He infers it is the faith that really matters, not any command structure. The holding of church authority then obviously becomes secondary if the exercising of that authority is of no avail particularly to those in rebellion for many years, decades, centuries or in perpetuity.

    I dare say a pope has been a remote figure historically and local bishops have seemed far more important than they are nowadays. Now, Bp. W disposes of the exercising element of the whole hierarchy's authority because quite frankly it is preaching a new theology. What is left is some nominal recognition which prevails out of nostalgia though fading rather than cold logic. Both Society bishops ride this vehicle, one fearful of its continuation, the other wanting the dispute to be set in stone. Here I am reminded of the Anglo-Catholics of a century ago giving some recognition to the then Rome but maintaining their distance.          

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    « Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 02:01:51 PM »
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    The bishop's thinking makes any pope redundant. He infers it is the faith that really matters, not any command structure. The holding of church authority then obviously becomes secondary if the exercising of that authority is of no avail particularly to those in rebellion for many years, decades, centuries or in perpetuity.

    I dare say a pope has been a remote figure historically and local bishops have seemed far more important than they are nowadays. Now, Bp. W disposes of the exercising element of the whole hierarchy's authority because quite frankly it is preaching a new theology. What is left is some nominal recognition which prevails out of nostalgia though fading rather than cold logic. Both Society bishops ride this vehicle, one fearful of its continuation, the other wanting the dispute to be set in stone. Here I am reminded of the Anglo-Catholics of a century ago giving some recognition to the then Rome but maintaining their distance.          


    St. Paul said the same thing, If WE or even an angel of light preach a different gospel. Let him be anathema.  

    The faith does come first, what good is authority that is not at the service of the faith?  

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    « Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 02:09:48 PM »
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  • Gerard:
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    The faith does come first, what good is authority that is not at the service of the faith?  


    Which is exactly the reason that many of us have concluded that any authority to which the SSPX lays claim is spurious.  


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    « Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 02:19:09 PM »
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  • The evil of +Fellay's propaganda machine is that it has revolutionized the reason for why the sspx exists and how it deals with rome.

    When +ABL was alive -
    The society will not unite with rome until rome converts.  The unity of the True Faith is the deciding factor.

    Nowadays-
    The society will not unite with rome until rome accepts us as we are.  The Pope is the deciding factor.

    A VERY drastic philosophical change.