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Bishop Fellay Hints of GREC
« on: June 23, 2013, 01:57:47 PM »
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  • As far as I am aware, it has been very difficult to get Bishop Fellay to speak about the SSPX's involvement with GREC (Groupe de Réflexion Entre Catholiques or Group of Reflection among Catholics).  This group, founded in 1997, sought to reconcile the difficulties between Traditional Catholics, including the SSPX, and Rome.  In a conference given on November 10, 2004 by Bishop Fellay at St. Vincent de Paul Church in Kansas City, Missouri, he hints at GREC's involvement with proposing doctrinal discussions to Cardinal Ratzinger between Rome and the SSPX.  These doctrinal discussions would then actually take place between 2009 and 2011 with the agreement of Pope Benedict XVI.  We see here, therefore, the influence of GREC working behind the scenes to reconcile the two parties.

    So who was really the mastermind behind the plan of directing the course of the SSPX to its current day rot?  Was the SSPX really in control of its own destiny or was that destiny determined by powerful outside forces over the course of the last 15 years shaping the SSPX leadership to eventually abandon the position of Archbishop Lefebvre and the fight for Catholic Tradition?  Hmmm.

    Start at the 12:23 mark.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/SkA_MtMZmf0[/youtube]

    *** Note that Bishop Fellay states that the group was in Paris, that the Apostolic Nuncio was involved, and that a priest outside of the SSPX (perhaps Fr. Michel Lelong? - key member of GREC) brought this proposal to Rome.  The Apostolic Nuncio of France from 1999 to 2009 was Archbishop Fortunato Baldelli.  Fr. Jean de Morgon gives us this very name in his letter to Bishop Fellay back in February 2009.

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    Bishop Fellay Hints of GREC
    « Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 02:09:19 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay Hints of GREC
    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 03:31:07 AM »
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    You can see the tension -- he does not want to talk about it,
    but he's hinting at it because it's an example he wants to
    use for another topic.  

    He did say "Group."  But his voice cracked and he lost his
    composure for a second.  Very strong clues that he is not willing
    to get into any talk about GREC.  

    Thanks for this, E-M.  This is very helpful.   You can see how
    nothing is different now, that B. Fellay is the same person he
    was in 2004, for you can easily imagine him giving this same
    speech today.  Only now, he would not dare hint at GREC!!


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    Bishop Fellay Hints of GREC
    « Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 07:03:53 PM »
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  • Can you bring up the Angeles Press magazine for May 2002?  It tells a lot!

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 07:17:09 PM »
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  • Here is a little help:  On this forum go to: "Is the SSPX really gullible".  I took some excerpts from the May 2002 Angeles.

    Then I googled GREC Catholic liturgy changes of Mass.  And found an entry:"GREC: an agreement that is discrete but not secret.  www.doncurizonitoglia.net

    It mentions Perl who is and wife who were also mentioned in the May 2002 Angeles.

    Also on www.traditio.com for June 5 entry spells out the same thing that was in Angeles Press for 2002.

    Good Luck!


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    Bishop Fellay Hints of GREC
    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2013, 06:11:45 PM »
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  • Talk with SSPX and Roman.  Roman is interested in Traditional,  and GREC. This pope seen with campos are very much interested with the "ancient rite".  It came up on www.traditio.com for June 5, 2013.  Now, it that is the case and the "ancient rite that we know that campos would be up to is this idea, of a latin mass without the words of consecration.  

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    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 11:34:35 PM »
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