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Online Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 11:03:37 AM »
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  • For some reason the full body size and beautifully framed (by Br. Marcellus) authentic photographic copies of the Shroud of Turin were left behind when the seminary moved to Virginia.  They were in the basement hallway and classroom the last time I visited about 2018.

    Yeah, who knows?  Maybe they just didn't think to include them in the packing list or figured it could serve the Brothers just as well or retreatants who go there or were lazy and/or didn't want to incur the (small) expense of moving it.  Or maybe they felt it wouldn't fit in with their vision of the new "aesthetic" ... which I don't care for personally.  I don't know that they would object to it in principle.

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    Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 11:51:22 AM »
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  • So you're saying that +Williamson established Humanities Year unilaterally, Matthew, and not under SSPX direction?  Unless you have other information, I'm not buying it, since at the time Bishop Williamson was still under obedience to SSPX superiors and wouldn't have done something like that unilaterally.

    Yes, I believed (and for good reason) that +W used his authority as rector of the US seminary, he used his very real power placed in his hands to form priests for the English-speaking world, to fill the voids left by American education, etc.

    It was all within bounds.

    Yes, obviously the superiors (and let's face it -- who was that exactly? Just +Fellay and maybe a couple others.) had to approve it. They visited the seminary on more than one occasion.

    But here's the proof: no other seminary in the whole SSPX has a humanities year. Even to the present day. The Humanities Year was 100% +Williamson's baby. And anyone who knows +Williamson won't be shocked by this. His big picture, philosophical self, looking at the educational wasteland of America, trying his best to form good priests but finding obstacles in the formation of the young men showing up to his seminary, and himself loving the humanities as he did, being a man of letters with a classical education...

    Yeah. No surprise at all. I would be more surprised if he *hadn't* done such a thing.

    The first Humanities year was 1999-2000. I was in the second Humanities class, which started in 2000. I probably got a lot more information about this than you, because I was in Humanities, and it was still pretty new when I got there. So yeah -- I'd chalk it up to "I was heavily involved" and heard many things from the horse's mouth. So it's not anything against you -- you simply weren't there, you couldn't have known, at least not the way humanities seminarians could have known, having access to +Williamson and all the other professors *at that time*, etc.

    You had access to many of the same clerics years earlier, but *before* Humanities had been thought of or implemented.
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    Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 11:59:17 AM »
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  • But to put this to rest, let me ask you one more question --

    Are you REALLY shocked, Ladislaus, that +Williamson would start such a program? What part of his doctrine, life, personality, would go against starting such a year for his seminary?

    Ask yourself some appropriate questions: did His Excellency not value the Humanities in an above-average way? Did he consider that modern English-speakers have a great formation coming out of public/private/homeschools? Was he a follower that only did things if suggested or forced upon him from above?

    I recall him installing a backup propane generator -- I'm sure that was his idea as well. As was having the farm (which cost $50K a year for $50K of food, just to pick a random figure. My point: it was a wash. He gained, and lost, nothing by having the farm) And guess what? As soon as +W was sent away, the farm was shut down. What do you know!

    But my point: he was very much a leader. He led as he saw best, and wasn't just a figurehead. He might have to ask forgiveness for some things, but if he saw it as within his prerogative, he wouldn't scruple about every single decision. What other seminary rectors or bishops had a regular newsletter? Nothing equivalent to the fixture that was "Letters from the Rector" and later "Eleison Comments". Again, that was pure +W.
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