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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Croixalist on November 05, 2016, 06:25:42 PM
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Breaking news from the Seminary in Virginia: Bishop Fellay fell down a set of stairs, breaking his leg in two places. For the time being he will be staying put until the doctors clear him to travel.
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That's rather ominous.
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Breaking news indeed. :pray:
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Got a message from our priest, it's not true. Prayers obviously worked.
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This has to be verifiable one way or the other. What's sad is that we can't trust the SSPX or their press releases anymore. They have violated our trust, lied too many times, and proven in the past that they are not above situation management and use of outright propaganda.
If this happened to Hillary Clinton, she would have her doctors pump her up full of pain meds right before a 2 minute photo op where she walks around (on the painful broken leg) apparently without any problems...
If he were like Hillary Clinton (and he indeed broke his leg), that is exactly what he would do.
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This isn't a formal SSPX press release, I'm just a layman who was close enough to the action to report on it first here. JMacQ is talking out his nether regions, Matthew. My source is a priest present at the seminary when it happened. Fellay was also slated to administer Confirmations this Sunday in a Pennsylvania chapel which have been formally cancelled (postponed) as a result. It's legit, folks.
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Just told that he broke his foot and is on crutches. Prayers again :pray:
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Breaking news from the Seminary in Virginia: Bishop Fellay fell down a set of stairs, breaking his leg in two places. For the time being he will be staying put until the doctors clear him to travel.
sspx.org reports: "injured his foot quite badly". It could be the ambiguous translation of :"braking his leg in two places". :wink: Anyhow, prayers are in order.
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Now that it's verified, we can comment on it.
1. We shouldn't wish evil on anyone, even our enemies (and everyone has enemies -- Judas was an enemy to Our Lord and each of the Apostles when he made his move to betray Our Lord)
2. It does seem ominous. It's not just that +Fellay was injured, but the circuмstances surrounding the injury:
A) Just a broken leg -- it leaves him with all his mental faculties (hint, hint: a chance to repent)
B) Involuntary humbling aspect. This injury restricts his movement, giving him more chance than usual to "think about his life" than he otherwise would have if he were 100% mobile. Another mercy of God.
C) His injury happened at the controversial new seminary -- and if that new seminary doesn't encapsulate +Fellay's dreams* and all that is wrong with him and his new position, then I don't know what does!
* Recall that several months ago Bishop Fellay said to a group in Mexico that he dreamed of filling a stadium with Traditional Catholics, and celebrating thousands of Confirmations, thousands of First Communions, etc. The man THINKS BIG and this desire to get "air time" with all Catholic conservatives shapes everything he does these days. He really believes that if only he could "get his foot in the door" and get those Indult-Catholics to "give him a chance", then he and his priests could work their magic, and they could convert the whole Church.
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Just told that he broke his foot and is on crutches. Prayers again :pray:
Prayers for him to repent. Your sources are not good ones.
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This injury restricts his movement, giving him more chance than usual to "think about his life" than he otherwise would have if he were 100% mobile. Another mercy of God.
Reminds me of St. Ignatius.
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This injury restricts his movement, giving him more chance than usual to "think about his life" than he otherwise would have if he were 100% mobile. Another mercy of God.
Reminds me of St. Ignatius.
Yes, that's probably where I got the idea.
And let's not forget what exactly that did for St. Ignatius.
Before his conversion, he wasn't exactly a wicked man -- he wasn't another St. Augustine. St. Ignatius was just a worldly knight. His head was swimming with chivalry, vainglory, big glorious deeds that would be sung for generations, etc.
Remember when he heard the Moor blaspheme the Blessed Virgin, his first thought was to avenge her honor by following after the Moor and killing him. But God showed by a clear sign that such wasn't His will.
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Bp. Fellay was there to BLESS the Seminary - how ironic!
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/report-new-sspx-seminary-va
However, not all the news from Virginia was happy this weekend, as the Superior General, Bishop Fellay, injured his foot quite badly. We ask for your prayers that he recovers well, and completely.
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When it comes to seminaries, there's also such a thing as "too big", in my opinion.
The old STAS in Winona, MN was plenty big, and yet it was "cozy". When I visited that seminary during the summer of 2000, something just attracted me to it. It seemed peaceful, and combined with everything I knew about the SSPX at the time, it seemed to be a place where God's work was being done.
What's up with the swimming pool in the courtyard? Or is that one of those pools that you're supposed to throw pennies in, like at the Mall?
Seriously, from the picture it looks like a swimming pool. It gives you a very "Beverly Hills" rich, Jєωιѕн, Hollywood, worldly vibe.
About as opposite of my own S.T.A.S. seminary experience as you can get!
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How many total seminarians does the Society have?
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This injury restricts his movement, giving him more chance than usual to "think about his life" than he otherwise would have if he were 100% mobile. Another mercy of God.
Reminds me of St. Ignatius.
Yes, it's time for Msgr. Fellay to resign as Superior General and go into a cave on Montserrat.
(http://www.reidsguides.com/images/destinations/europe/spain/barcelona/sights/montserrat-long.jpg)
St. Michael can instruct him on the Doctrines of the Faith.
And when he comes out... he'll resist Francis and be Catholic again.
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I wonder how a priest can offer Holy Mass with a broken foot. Obviously not easily, but how long would one have to wait until that could be done? Could Mass be said in a wheelchair? Man, that would be difficult.
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With special dispensation it is possible to say Mass in a wheelchair...
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From Frances? :rolleyes:
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I didn't like to say...
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I can just see Fr. Wegner with his digital German camera, taking PR shots of Bp. Fellay's foot... dressed in black of course.
(http://www.aafp.org/afp/2009/0901/afp20090901p491-f10.jpg)
They're going to milk it for all they can.
"Attacked by the sedes and schismatics, even pushed down the stairs by the devil, His Excellency still carries on +ABL's great mission of Roman union"
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This injury restricts his movement, giving him more chance than usual to "think about his life" than he otherwise would have if he were 100% mobile. Another mercy of God.
Reminds me of St. Ignatius.
Yes, it's time for Msgr. Fellay to resign as Superior General and go into a cave on Montserrat.
:laugh1:
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When it comes to seminaries, there's also such a thing as "too big", in my opinion.
The old STAS in Winona, MN was plenty big, and yet it was "cozy". When I visited that seminary during the summer of 2000, something just attracted me to it. It seemed peaceful, and combined with everything I knew about the SSPX at the time, it seemed to be a place where God's work was being done.
What's up with the swimming pool in the courtyard? Or is that one of those pools that you're supposed to throw pennies in, like at the Mall?
Seriously, from the picture it looks like a swimming pool. It gives you a very "Beverly Hills" rich, Jєωιѕн, Hollywood, worldly vibe.
About as opposite of my own S.T.A.S. seminary experience as you can get!
I agree with everything you wrote here. From what I can tell by the pictures, this place doesn't have the serenity about it that Winona did. As you said, it looks very worldly.
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the whole place looks phony, a reservoir that looks like a swimming pool, practically chandeliers in the dining room, out of this world alright...
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/BmjquIxUVbo[/youtube]
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:cry: :cry: :cry: and keep :cry:
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A swimming pool?
The men in the SSPX pews work their behinds off to provide for their large families, some work two jobs, and you begged for donations on a weekly basis and then some for this new seminary which you didn't really need (and then you continued begging for funds so you could leave Winona in wonderful condition when you moved out) so you can build a huge in-ground pool at your multi-million dollar seminary?
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P.S. Don't forget to sign his cast. :rolleyes:
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watching the video would make you cry, the lack of devotion in the processions, more like a look see, expediency seemed to be the order of the day, no wonder +BF fell down the stairs.......
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Perhaps instead of soccer they can now play water polo. Will they be wearing their cassocks?
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/BmjquIxUVbo[/youtube]
Bp. Fellay's nickname should be, "The trad pope".
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We will pray for Bishop Fellay that his leg heals.
At least there are Catholics building instead of closing.
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We will pray for Bishop Fellay that his leg heals.
At least there are Catholics building instead of closing.
Unfortunately, its Rothschild-Gutmann Money financing the SSPX seminary.
So when you say "there are Catholics", this has to be qualified.
The fact the SSPX accepted "blood money" was accidentally revealed by the SSPX's corporate attorney Maximilian Krah in 2012.
Eponymous Flower link (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html)
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Unfortunately, its Rothschild-Gutmann Money financing the SSPX seminary.
Can we lay this Rothschild specter to rest? Mrs Rosa Gutmann, an Austrian Catholic who gave the money to the SSPX, married a second-generation Jєωιѕн convert, Wolfgang Gutmann (d. 1964).
In the 1860s two Jєωιѕн Gutmanns, with a Rothschild and a Hapsburg Archduke, went into partnership to found an ironworks in Moravia (Czechoslovakia). This was confiscated by Goering in 1938 and then by the Czech Communists after WW2. There was no connection with the Catholic Gutmanns.
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In the 1860s two Jєωιѕн Gutmanns, with a Rothschild and a Hapsburg Archduke, went into partnership to found an ironworks in Moravia (Czechoslovakia). This was confiscated by Goering in 1938 and then by the Czech Communists after WW2. There was no connection with the Catholic Gutmanns.
Ah, so you're saying this money has no Jєωιѕн connections? The sspx is a jew-free zone, and Max Krah is just a harmless little fellow with zionist leanings, who happens to have a few business connections with +Fellay & Co.?
We are all greatly comforted to hear this. :tinfoil:
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I have heard some questions raised about the proximity of the new seminary in Dillwyn, to Washington D.C., and that it risks being a corrupting influence for the seminarians. For example, one or more might get the idea that a quick trip for a day or two to D.C. might be an interesting experience.
When I mentioned this aspect to a Society supporter, it was said that priests need to be ready to take on the world and protecting them from certain evils does not prepare them for the challenges they're bound to be facing after ordination.
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I have heard some questions raised about the proximity of the new seminary in Dillwyn, to Washington D.C., and that it risks being a corrupting influence for the seminarians. For example, one or more might get the idea that a quick trip for a day or two to D.C. might be an interesting experience.
When I mentioned this aspect to a Society supporter, it was said that priests need to be ready to take on the world and protecting them from certain evils does not prepare them for the challenges they're bound to be facing after ordination.
Just as likely, so they'll be in close proximity to Kesher Israel ѕуηαgσgυє in DC.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Kesher_Israel_Congregation.JPG/240px-Kesher_Israel_Congregation.JPG)
Then Father le Roux can easily report into rabbi Shmuel Herzfeld, face-to-face, on a regular basis.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/06/Rabbi_Shmuel_Herzfeld,_Portrait,_July_2014.jpg/225px-Rabbi_Shmuel_Herzfeld,_Portrait,_July_2014.jpg)
"Listen my goy friend, 80 million Euros, comes with a few strings attached"
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Neil and Incredulous, you're ridiculous. Bishop Williamson, as rector of STAS, purposefully took seminarians regularly on trips to Washington, Boston and other places to show and explain American errors.
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Neil and Incredulous, you're ridiculous. Bishop Williamson, as rector of STAS, purposefully took seminarians regularly on trips to Washington, Boston and other places to show and explain American errors.
I was thinking about this, but really I think there's a big, fundamental difference when you take a group of seminarians into Washington DC for a day or two ONCE EVERY 4 YEARS and the whole time we're thinking/studying/talking about Americanism and other errors that we'll be observing.
In other words, the seminarians were put into a mindset that was perfect to get the most out of the trip. We were completely "on our guard" and we felt like we were exploring Babylon or Sodom. We were on a safari.
Under those circuмstances, one is not damaged by the errors, influences that are found in a place like that.
The same goes for television and movies. If you are looking for every little error, and not "getting into" the show, you can watch it from a higher vantage point like an ivory tower. You are keeping a professional distance -- treating what you observe like a psychiatrist would treat his patient. He's interested -- even fascinated -- by the mental disorder, but he's not about to get caught up in it.
But you have to be careful and take precautions.
I was thinking though, what if Washington DC had been 2 hours away, like Rochester and La Crosse had been to Winona, MN? We went to those places several times a year to pick up seminarians/priests, to go shopping, etc. THEN you'd be talking about subtle influences creeping in.
The influence WE had in Winona was rural midwest America, the conservative "red" on the political map. Also known as "flyover country", because most of the US population will experience these places only while flying over in an airplane.
As we have discovered in the recent election of Trump, the struggle is all about Rural vs. City. Sane vs. Insane. Conservative vs. Liberal. Even a heavily Democratic state like Illinois is EXTREMELY conservative if you cut out Chicago and Rockford. All the small towns of Illinois are every bit as conservative as the small towns throughout Texas.
This rural, small town America is what surrounded the Winona seminary, and it was great.
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The influence WE had in Winona was rural midwest America, the conservative "red" on the political map. Also known as "flyover country", because most of the US population will experience these places only while flying over in an airplane.
Did you ever visit the Polish museum in downtown Winona ? What did you find ? Downstairs all sorts of religious artwork from the homes of the Polish people who had lost their Catholic Faith and upstairs vestments, confessionals, altars, missals, breviaries from their churches that had abandoned the preconciliar Faith. Winona last I checked is in a Democrat state and one can see why. Faith and politics despite the First Amendment often went together.
Monsignor Charles Donahue preached a retreat 1990 in which he described the collapse of the Church in the 1960s. As a priest from Lacrosse (just over the river) he said: "The Conciliar revolution hit first and hardest right here in middle America. You wouldn't believe that would you ? But it did." He told some truly shocking tales of what brother priests were up to in the mid 60s. (Those who were there will remember those awful anecdotes). He asked the Vicar General for a letter of excardination and when asked why he said "I want to save my soul!" He transferred to the Los Angeles Archdiocese under Cardinal Mcintyre who resisted the changes but eventually he had to go out on a limb when the Cardinal retired as Archbishop.
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You think one's faith is safer in the cities?
I guess that's an opinion, which you are free to have -- but I strongly disagree.
The problem has more to do with America (from sea to shining sea) being a non-Catholic country from the get-go. Living in the country will surround you with more conservatives, and more common sense, but all the natural common sense in the world doesn't equal SUPERNATURAL sanity.
And moving from rural/small-town America to CALIFORNIA? Isn't that like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire?
Cardinal Mahoney -- the first bishop people name when trying to think of a notoriously liberal bishop -- wasn't famous for being a small-town bishop. I believe he was Archbishop of Los Angeles...
Regarding "Los Angeles Archdiocese under Cardinal Mcintyre who resisted the changes"
A) That may have been true 40 years ago, but California is hardly a hotbed of "resisting the changes" today! If it weren't for California, Novus Ordo Watch would have a lot less abuses and shocking material to report upon. Let's put it that way.
Let's put it another way: If every state in the Union were represented by a pope, California would be represented by POPE FRANCIS.
I think you get the point.
B) I think that big cities have more of everything because there are more people. But not necessarily in proportion to their size. That is to say, you'll be awash in evil until you inevitably find that conservative priest or bishop -- who has to be there, because of mathematics.
Long story short, you're still better off avoiding the big cities.
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Winona last I checked is in a Democrat state and one can see why. Faith and politics despite the First Amendment often went together.
Hillary Clinton won Minnesota by 1.5%. Not exactly a landslide.
In fact, look at all the third party candidates that received a good chunk of votes. McMullin got MORE than the margin of victory for Hillary -- he got 1.8%. Who is McMullin? I honestly have never heard of him.
I have heard of Stein and Johnson.
D Winner H. Clinton
46.9%
1,366,676 10
R D. Trump
45.4%
1,322,891
L G. Johnson
3.9%
112,944
I E. McMullin
1.8%
53,080
G J. Stein
1.3%
36,957
O D. Vacek
0.4%
11,290
C D. Castle
0.3%
Here is the breakdown of votes by county in the 2016 election. Note where Winona is.
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(http://archives.sspx.org/Chapels_Pages/chapel_pages_images/msgr_donahue_ab_lefebvre.jpg)
Msgr. Donahue was ordained in 1953 for the Diocese of Lacrosse. He left the Diocese of Lacrosse around 1968. He moved to the LA Archdiocese because the Archbishop - McIyntyre - at the time (together with Spellman in New York) would not permit (m)any of the Novus Ordo changes. When McKintyre was replaced by Timothy Manning (1970) the changes came in full force. The Msgr. moved to LA because rural Wisconsin was a "wasteland" (that was his word) as far as the Catholic Faith was concerned in 1968. He didn't move to the city to save his faith, he moved to an Archdiocese which was still highly conservative at that time. He learned the hard way that resisting the flow of Vatican 2 within the mainstream church was a disaster waiting to happen. He had no nice words for Mahony that I can tell you. He was an independent priest friendly with the SSPX. He died in 1995. His church now belongs to the SPPX.
His biography on SSPX website (http://archives.sspx.org/Chapels_Pages/arcadia_ca.htm)
Interesting electoral map by the way. What's the blue area in the middle along the Mississppi - would that be Red Wing ?