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Title: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
From the SSPX’s official Twitter account:



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The General Chapter of the SSPX has elected two additional Assistants General to assist Fr. Davide Pagliarani: Bishop Bernard Fellay, former Superior General (1994-2018) and Father Franz Schmidberger, former Superior General (1982-1994).
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Mega-fin on July 20, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
This will shatter all the hopes of those who think that Pagliarani means a turn for the SSPx
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 20, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Suspicions confirmed.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 20, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
After all these years as an office worker, does +Fellay want to get his hands dirty by doing the REAL clerical work (ie flying around the world doing confirmations, teaching at seminaries, giving sermons)?  Of course not.  
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
ABSOLUTELY back in power.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: stgobnait on July 20, 2018, 02:57:44 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Mega-fin on July 20, 2018, 03:05:45 PM
Just more proof that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Will the Society be begging back in Rome next week? While +Fellay was the face of “we love Rome” Schmidberger was in the background advancing the cause. Plus +Galarreta was the first to jump back to +Fellay after the three bishops letter to +Fellay, and Bouchacourt is just a judaizied liberal. Pagliarani is just the “conservative” face so that it all looks well and good. The Society has truly played it hand, it’s clearly written on the wall and adding +Fellay and Fr Schmidberger to the “Argentine trio” shows CLEARLY and EXACTLY what we all knew the purpose of this Chapter was. Well played, Menzingen, now you’re all set, cap in hand to ask Francis to oh please, recognize us, we are all Catholics after all! 
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Maria Regina on July 20, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: 2Vermont on July 20, 2018, 03:58:52 PM
Anyone see this?

https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/bishop-fellay-interview-%E2%80%9Cwe-are-disturbing-factor-church%E2%80%9D-39449

Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 04:03:51 PM
Just more proof that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Will the Society be begging back in Rome next week? While +Fellay was the face of “we love Rome” Schmidberger was in the background advancing the cause. Plus +Galarreta was the first to jump back to +Fellay after the three bishops letter to +Fellay, and Bouchacourt is just a judaizied liberal. Pagliarani is just the “conservative” face so that it all looks well and good. The Society has truly played it hand, it’s clearly written on the wall and adding +Fellay and Fr Schmidberger to the “Argentine trio” shows CLEARLY and EXACTLY what we all knew the purpose of this Chapter was. Well played, Menzingen, now you’re all set, cap in hand to ask Francis to oh please, recognize us, we are all Catholics after all!

If the SSPX was trying to portray Pagliarani as a "conservative face," it was a failed attempt from the beginning:

His 2012 intervention at the General Chapter, as well as his past statements regarding an openness to a practical accord with unconverted Rome, made that impossible, except for those who wanted to be lied to about his advent representing a possible change of direction (meaning, those who only wanted to notice Bishop Fellay was gone, but not consider the qualities of the man who replaced him).

The SSPX did not create and assign two new counselors, just so Pagliarani could ignore them (but as they are on the same page anyway, there is little risk of that).

Now we only await the General Chapter Declaration for the whole mosaic to become a coherent picture.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: JPaul on July 20, 2018, 04:36:04 PM
A new, and perhaps more articulate mouth piece. The puppeteer remains the same.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: klasG4e on July 20, 2018, 05:42:46 PM
From the SSPX’s official Twitter account:



(https://mobile.twitter.com/SSPXEN)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/853502390447685636/rZj57ZM3_bigger.jpg)
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SSPXEN)
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SSPXEN)SSPX News: Society of St. Pius X

@SSPXEN
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SSPXEN)

The General Chapter of the SSPX has elected two additional Assistants General to assist Fr. Davide Pagliarani: Bishop Bernard Fellay, former Superior General (1994-2018) and Father Franz Schmidberger, former Superior General (1982-1994).

Seen at https://twitter.com/SSPXEN?lang=en (https://twitter.com/SSPXEN?lang=en)
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
And here:

https://fsspx.news/fr/election-de-deux-conseillers-generaux-supplementaires-39450?utm_content=bufferad938&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 06:37:35 PM
Initial reactions from the French Resistance (which seem to be similar to observations/reactions made on the English-speaking fora/blogs):

http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t661-Deux-nouveaux-conseillers.htm


1) "Rita" says: "Thus surrounded, there is little chance that the new Superior General will change anything to the line followed since the year 2000."

[True, but he wouldn't have wanted to anyway.  -X]


2) "Mikael" says: "If some had some doubts about the new team, there are none anymore."


3) "Joseph" posts the following explanation by "Ennemond" [who is actually Jacques Regis du Cray, unofficial lay apologist and spokesman of the SSPX, and producer of the sanitized Archbishop Lefebvre movie -X], regarding the creation of "Counselors" and the expansion of the General Counsel:

"Ennemond explains the reason for these appointments: to ensure continuity (underlying the rallying) :


Extended General Council by Ennemond 2018-07-20 21:37:48 Print

The question of enlarging the General Council has already been debated in recent months. The Fraternity having reached 650 priests, this decision now seems logical. The General Council of the Fathers of the Holy Spirit, of which Bishop Lefebvre was the Superior General elected in 1962, was composed of six members, to try to represent the different nations composing the congregation.

The function of "counselor" did not exist in the statutes of the Society of Saint Pius X. The capitulants must have defined the prerogatives of these councillors. Using the expression "additional general councillors", the communiqué does not seem to distinguish between assistants and councillors. In any case, the obvious choice to call upon the two former superiors general underlines a desire to ensure continuity.


"Joseph:" Now all hope of a return to true brotherhood is truly dead."
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Seraphina on July 20, 2018, 07:39:41 PM
Is anyone surprised?
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: hollingsworth on July 20, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
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The General Chapter of the SSPX has elected two additional Assistants General to assist Fr. Davide Pagliarani: Bishop Bernard Fellay, former Superior General (1994-2018) and Father Franz Schmidberger, former Superior General (1982-1994).

You smear lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 20, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
It was only a few days ago that CFN's Brian McCall published this stupid article.

https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/14/reflections-on-the-election-of-the-new-superior-general-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x

It opened with this criticism of the Resistance (now fully vindicated by today's news):

"The Society of St. Pius X announced by communique on July 11 the [color=rgba(139, 148, 156, 0.92)]election of Father Davide Pagliarani[/color] (https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/11/sspx-general-chapter-elects-italian-priest-as-new-superior-general) as the Superior General of the SSPX for the next 12 years.  The initial reactions were most interesting.  Several websites and forums that host comments aligned with the so called “Resistance” denounced Father Pagliarani as a liberal “company man” who would swiftly move toward a compromise with the Roman authorities.  Some went so far to claim that Bishop Fellay would essentially remain in control and drive the move toward a compromised regularization.  At the same time, [color=rgba(139, 148, 156, 0.92)]New Church and secular commentators tried to claim Bishop Fellay was “toppled”[/color] (http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/07/11/01016-20180711ARTFIG00354-lefebvristes-mgr-fellay-est-evince-l-abbe-davide-pagliarani-devient-superieur-general.php) by a reactionary faction that would end any possible regularization by the Roman authorities.  Such is the state of misinformation and rumor buzzing around the SSPX."

Retraction, Mr. McCall?
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: AJNC on July 20, 2018, 09:46:21 PM
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 21, 2018, 02:02:28 AM
You smear lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
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Still waiting for the EC of +W to explain this? 
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 21, 2018, 02:35:47 AM
It was only a few days ago that CFN's Brian McCall published this stupid article.

https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/14/reflections-on-the-election-of-the-new-superior-general-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x

It opened with this criticism of the Resistance (now fully vindicated by today's news):

"The Society of St. Pius X announced by communique on July 11 the [color=rgba(139, 148, 156, 0.92)]election of Father Davide Pagliarani[/color] (https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/11/sspx-general-chapter-elects-italian-priest-as-new-superior-general) as the Superior General of the SSPX for the next 12 years.  The initial reactions were most interesting.  Several websites and forums that host comments aligned with the so called “Resistance” denounced Father Pagliarani as a liberal “company man” who would swiftly move toward a compromise with the Roman authorities.  Some went so far to claim that Bishop Fellay would essentially remain in control and drive the move toward a compromised regularization.  At the same time, [color=rgba(139, 148, 156, 0.92)]New Church and secular commentators tried to claim Bishop Fellay was “toppled”[/color] (http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/07/11/01016-20180711ARTFIG00354-lefebvristes-mgr-fellay-est-evince-l-abbe-davide-pagliarani-devient-superieur-general.php) by a reactionary faction that would end any possible regularization by the Roman authorities.  Such is the state of misinformation and rumor buzzing around the SSPX."

Retraction, Mr. McCall?
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I expect there's NO WAY McCall will retract any of this.
He's either a paid shill for Menzingen or else he's just a dupe, entirely taken in by their magic show scheme.
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In the article you link, Brian McCall stoops to flat-out lying about the Resistance:
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Likewise, the “Resistance” conglomeration who fear a regularization at all costs see his openness to the possibility that the time will come when Tradition will be given its rightful place again as a threat to their position of no regularization under any circuмstances.
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I have to wonder, did someone tell him to say that or did he just make it up out of thin air.
Because there isn't anyone in the Resistance who would describe our outlook in that way.
"...who fear a regularization at all costs?" -- At all costs - ignoring the "cost" of Rome converting to the true Faith??
Maybe for McCall that would be too high of a price to pay!! But he'd never admit that, even if it were true.
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What makes McCall think that a deal with unconverted Rome would "give Tradition its rightful place again?"
Maybe he's never really heard what the Resistance has to say, and only listens to what Menzingen CLAIMS the Resistance says.
He must be oblivious to the fact that, 

"THE SUBJECTS DO NOT FORM THE SUPERIORS - THE SUPERIORS FORM THE SUBJECTS."

And where did he get the idea that our position is "no regularization under any circuмstances?"
Or, which might really be the case, does McCall believe that Rome will not convert "under any circuмstances?"
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 21, 2018, 06:32:20 AM
The General Chapter concludes in just a couple hours.

Likely as not, they will release a General Chapter Declaration.

I say "likely," not "certainly," because this 2018 GC has already shown a willingness to depart from precedent.

Aside from creating two new Counselor positions (not foreseen in the current Statutes) for +BF and Fr. Schmidberger, there was the matter of announcing election results for the new SG, 1Asst, and 2Asst on the very first day of the Chapter (which suggests this was all decided upon beforehand).  

The explanation given for the rapid results (so rapid in fact, that while the SSPX was announcing the elections of the 1st and 2nd Asst. would take place on the 12th, the whole world was already reading about the results on the 11th), which seemed too hasty for SSPX media to keep up with (i.e., the GC had departed from pre-announced script?), was that this was simply the way GC's were conducted, to give the new administration ample time to deal with all the rest of the GC business..

However, for comparison purposes, the last elective GC was held in 2006, from July 3 - July 15.
http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/2006_general_chapter/declaration_of_2006_general_chapter.htm (http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/2006_general_chapter/declaration_of_2006_general_chapter.htm)

And at that General Chapter, the Superior General was not elected until July 11 (i.e., the 9th day of the 2006 General Chapter).
http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/2006_general_chapter/elections.htm

Apparently, there is much more urgent business to deal with in 2018 than there was in 2006?

Fr. Girouard's letter may provide some insights into the content of that business.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 21, 2018, 07:40:08 AM
Meanwhile, the NonPossumus Blog has observed that the SSPX has changed its announcement regarding the description of the new position of "Counselor" three times:

First, the initial Twitter stated, "The General Chapter of the SSPX elected two additional General Assistants to assist Fr. Davide Pagliaran..."

Then, "the General Chapter of the SSPX elected two additional General Councilors to be part of the Council of the Superior General, Fr. Davide Pagliarani..."

And finally, "The General Chapter of the SSPX elected two General Councilors to form part of the Council of the Superior General..."

http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2018/07/mons-fellay-y-el-p-schmidberger.html

The descriptions of the underlined terms are important:

The first clearly implies that these two "Counselors" form part of the General Council (i.e., supreme government of the SSPX).

The second moves away from this implication, by replacing "Assistants" with "Counselors."

The third, realizing there were no such "Counselors" in existence, removes the word "additional" and replaces it with "two."

Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Mr G on July 21, 2018, 10:10:16 AM
Even Michael Matt sees the problem in this situation, if only SSPX faithful could at least admit it:

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/3979-sspx-news-two-new-assistants-general-announced-bishop-fellay-and-father-schmidberger

Remnant Comment: While this development may well prove to be a good thing, at first glance it is somewhat confusing.  From the vantage point of an outside observer, it looks something like a general manager of a baseball team announcing his intention to keep his two previous baseball managers knocking around the front office to "advise" the new guy on how to establish a different style of leadership.  Bit awkward for everyone. Keep them around if you want, but why make the big announcement that seems to send mixed signals?

Without wishing to take anything away from the good job done by either of these men in the past, I'm sure the SSPX leadership can appreciate why some traditional Catholics are a bit apprehensive over this announcement, since they were looking forward to the fresh approach of a 'new coaching staff' rather than an apparent reshuffling effort that may mean 'business as usual' when it comes to a whole host of problems blamed, fairly or not, on the previous 'coaching staff.' And this includes ardent supporters of Bishop Fellay, who only want what is best for the Society.

The SSPX General Chapter is still in session, by the way, and therefore this brief observation is meant only in a constructive sense-- as merely the initial reaction of just one member of the Catholic press, while there may still be time to amend or clarify. 
Whatever happens, let's redouble our prayers for the SSPX--a crucial player in the Catholic restoration movement--and let us pray for the success of their General Chapter.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 21, 2018, 10:21:25 AM
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...and let us pray for the success of their General Chapter.
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This General Chapter has all the marks of having been totally scripted in advance, and they've had total success already.
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Kind of like the victory party that Hillary had planned, except for her, it was total failure.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: JPaul on July 21, 2018, 10:37:13 AM
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This General Chapter has all the marks of having been totally scripted in advance, and they've had total success already.
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Kind of like the victory party that Hillary had planned, except for her, it was total failure.
What we see is the slow progress towards conciliarism where everything is run by some sort of council. In case you haven't noticed, organizing things around a council make it very easy to obscure its manipulations by the unseen hand, as well as masking who is responsible for its decisions.
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: klasG4e on July 21, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
You smear lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/korGkeGUHK3xJI2muUFUDsmF-cm4Vb7Db6asLu_sR0U.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=960&s=f6854854838855e2485784bbda687652)
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: hollingsworth on July 21, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
Matt:
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Without wishing to take anything away from the good job done by either of these men in the past, I'm sure the SSPX leadership can appreciate why some traditional Catholics are a bit apprehensive over this announcement, since they were looking forward to the fresh approach of a 'new coaching staff' rather than an apparent reshuffling effort that may mean 'business as usual' when it comes to a whole host of problems blamed, fairly or not, on the previous 'coaching staff.' And this includes ardent supporters of Bishop Fellay, who only want what is best for the Society.
Well yeah!  Some traditional Catholics are indeed apprehensive.  This whole "reshuffling effort" stinks, and anyone with even an ounce of probity knows it.  The addition of two "new" assistants in the waning hours of the GC makes even Michael Matt squirm a bit, apparently.  Unlike Matt, though, I believe the previous 'coaching staff'  did a terrible job, and has presided over the total, and well deserved, demise of sspx.  God, what a reeking mess these men have created!
Please, Bp Williamson, say something!  Please, Your Excellency, lay Part II of your artificial intelligence treatise aside, and go directly to commentary on the steaming, fetid pile of manure this latest GC  has produced.

End of tantrum. 
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: AveCorMariae on July 21, 2018, 02:21:16 PM
Certainly Mr. Brian Mc Call wasn't very smart when commenting about an event that wasn't over yet, now he has to eat his own words. The Bishop is smarter than that, and I am glad to wait for a responsible comment, based on all the facts! 
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: X on July 21, 2018, 02:31:40 PM
Certainly Mr. Brian Mc Call wasn't very smart when commenting about an event that wasn't over yet, now he has to eat his own words. The Bishop is smarter than that, and I am glad to wait for a responsible comment, based on all the facts!
:applause:
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: JPaul on July 21, 2018, 03:11:17 PM
Well, at this point a responsible comment and a dollar twenty-nine might get you a cup of coffee.  None of it will make any difference, but you might enjoy the coffee.................
Title: Re: Bishop Fellay Back in Power (Kind of)
Post by: Wessex on July 27, 2018, 07:36:25 PM
No doubt the particular conservatism of the Remnant is wary of the changable nature of the Society and like ourselves retains a suspicion of its ultimate destination in the new Catholic world. The alarm that even lapsed Catholics have expressed with regard to Bergoglio's ideas seems not to have been capitalised by Menzingen in the same way as indult folk have done. And if the former continues to remain aloof from Vatican politics, it will be regarded in future as just another self-absorbed body prepared to be obliging for certain recognitions.