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Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    As the battle presently waging between the adherents of Bishop Fellay and those who have been dubbed "the resistance" shows no signs of ending, it might be (and indeed is) useful to examine an argument that has gained more and more currency among the followers of the SSPX so as to justify their current position and at the same time silence their opponents. This argument might be reduced to this: Bishop Fellay, as the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X, has been given the grace of state so as to be able to make any decisions regarding an approval of the Society by the Holy See. Given this special grace, it is in fact disobedience to deny the rectitude of such an accord, or even to question it in any way. The adherents of this position have gone as far as to accuse the "resisters" of following down the path of Luther and the protestant reformers. Thus, we see the resistance labelled a sect for its lack of submission to the legitimate authority of Bishop Fellay and the other superiors of the Society. Sacraments are at times refused to these resisters, not to mention children of resisting parents being threatened with expulsion from Society schools- and not merely threatened. Many aspects of the Society's present position might be examined as to its correctness, but rather than shoot at any and all possible targets, this writer will look more closely at the one underlying many of the actions and attitudes of the Society leadership, namely the question of whether Bishop Fellay possesses a grace of state, and following upon that, to what extent this grace may be relied upon by the faithful as a sure guide of the rectitude of Bishop Fellay's actions.

    Firstly, then, we examine the idea of a "grace of state". We know that God gives to each of the faithful special graces that correspond to his duty of state. The existence of a grace particular to ones state is closely allied to the dogma of Divine Providence. God, by His Providence, places us in a position whereby we have certain daily duties that we must perform. Sanctity will only be possible if we submit to what God wishes for us, and this is manifested on one level by the circuмstances that He places us in. Thus, a mother of a family does not have the grace to be a nun, because her duty is specific to her role as wife and mother. It is not unheard of, unfortunately, that using the excuse that Saint X., who was a nun and saint, spent many hours a day in devout contemplation before the Blessed Sacrament, must be imitated by Mrs. Z. who has a number of neglected children needing to be taken care of. Mothers therefore, who shirk their duty to change their babies' diapers or feed children and husband so as be like Saint X, offend God who gave them a different task to perform so as to attain sanctity. Because God has given us duties in accordance with our state in life, He likewise wishes to give us the graces necessary in order to live in that state in a fitting manner, and by means of that state of life, reach union with God.

    Now, there are sacramental graces that are immediately connected with a state of life, such as Holy Orders or Matrimony. If a priest is ordained, not only does the power to confect other sacraments come with the character of that sacrament, but also a special grace so as to be a fitting priest in the discharge of his duties. Grace is then at hand so as to be a priest according to the Will of God, for God demands not only that a thing be accomplished, but that it be accomplished in a fitting manner. What does this mean when it is a case of the priesthood!? "Imitate that which you handle" are the words of the Pontifical when the priest is ordained- and thus a grace is attached so as to do just that.

    The same may be said for a husband or wife. Matrimony, though it does not last for eternity, and thus confers no character, nonetheless is a constant state of life that is only broken by the death of one of the spouses. There are many crosses that come with marriage, even as there are many joys. A special grace is given to the spouses so as to be fitting spouses, which means at the very least to be able to fulfill the vows exchanged at the time of their marriage. Thus, God gives, together with the duties incuмbent upon the spouses, the graces necessary to be true spouses. Are there problems between the spouses? There is a grace of state ready to help remedy the situation.

    Now, it must be plain to anyone who has met either priests or spouses, that the mere fact that grace has been, and will be given so to aid the persons involved to fittingly fulfill their duty of state, does not guarantee that these priests or spouses have in fact, fulfilled their offices fittingly. There is no lack of either bad priests or unfaithful spouses. Does this mean that there was no grace of state in the case of the unfaithful? Hardly. A grace may be offered, but man may, and does, refuse these graces when offered. The grace of state will only profit those who humbly make use of it. Man has the power to refuse grace that is offered, and Hell is a witness to how many times man may say "no".

    In the case at hand, there is more to the question than the grace of state. In the case of the four bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre, each of them was, and is, given the grace to fittingly fulfill their duty of state as Catholic bishops. In this, there is no difference between Bishop Fellay and the other three. He is a bishop and so are they. Thus, in those things appertaining to being a bishop, there is a grace offered by God so that the bishop may exercise his power in a fitting way. Now, in the case of the four bishops, there is no conferral of ordinary jurisdiction, but only what pertains to orders. Thus, there is no power of rulership or office given to them by the Church in the normal fashion. But it would be inaccurate to ignore that there is also a role given to the bishops by way of extraordinary jurisdiction. This jurisdiction is conferred by the Church when the good of souls requires its exercise, and this only occurs when it is not possible to have recourse to those who possess ordinary jurisdiction. Given the fact that the Roman authorities and those of the dioceses are the apostles of a distorted Catholicism, even if they are of the best of wills, fidelity to the Catholic religion demands the necessity of shepherds who are trustworthy in their adherence to the Faith of all times, and the worship and discipline that goes with it. Thus, extraordinary jurisdiction enables the bishops to both lead the faithful in the way of salvation and protect them from the wolves of false doctrine and morals. This extraordinary jurisdiction, of course, presupposes a state of emergency in the Church. If there is no state of emergency in which recourse is not possible to those possessing ordinary jurisdiction, then there is no extraordinary jurisdiction conferred. Recourse does not mean simply being able to speak to those in authority. It also means that there is the possibility of trusting to the Catholicity of their judgements as well. In our present situation this is not the case. Given that they are infected with Modernism, we cannot have recourse to them. In other words, given the fact that these authorities no longer are faithful to the Faith handed down from the apostles, they must be avoided until such time as the true Faith is professed both by the superiors and by the subjects. And this brings us to the heart of the matter.

    We have spoken of the grace of state, and that this grace is immediately related to the duty of state determined by God through the working of His Divine Providence. However, if we look at the arguments adduced in favour of Bishop Fellay, the grace appealed to is more specific than that of a general grace of state. The actual argument derives from the grace of office. This is a special grace given to those who bear an ecclesiastical office that involves the sanctification of souls. While all of the four bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre are given the grace connected with the order of the episcopacy both sacramentally and in the acts of extraordinary jurisdiction that they possess for the salvation of souls, the grace of office is more particular. This grace is joined to a particular office and possesses, if it is the case of a superior of subjects, ordinary jurisdiction. Bishop Fellay is the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X. Thus, it is claimed that he possess a grace in virtue of this office whereby his decisions may not be criticized unless they would be openly against the Faith. In this claim, Bishop Fellay is relying on the ordinary jurisdiction he claims as Superior General of the Society, not as simply a bishop. This claim is what we must examine.

    Firstly, all offices are not created equal, and consequent upon the distinction of office, there is a distinction of graces attendant upon that office. Thus, the Pope, who is the visible head of the Church, possessing universal jurisdiction, is given by Christ a corresponding grace of office. The Pope's office, as it is the greatest in the Church, and bears upon every one of the faithful by its extension, has the greatest grace of office so that that role may be fittingly exercised. The higher the office, the greater the graces necessary. This grace of office exists not only for the one filling it, but even more so for those who are subjects of that office. In the Church, an office is related to the salvation of the subjects of that office. It exists for the good of the Church. We know, of course, that the papacy possesses a grace that no other office possesses, and that is the charism of infallibility in the cases laid down by the First Vatican Council, for the Pope is the principle of unity in the Church, and that unity rests on the unity of the Faith. As Pope Leo XIII pointed out in "Satis Cognitum",

    "Agreement and union of minds is the necessary foundation of this perfect concord among men, from which concurrence of wills and similarity of action are the natural results. Wherefore, in His divine wisdom, He ordained in His Church Unity of Faith; a virtue which is the first of those bonds which unite man to God, and whence we receive the name of the faithful..."

    No other office possesses the charism of infallibility, for no other office is the principle of ecclesiastical unity. But this principle of unity rests upon the Faith that the papacy guards and extends. From the papacy, there are various lower offices. The lower the office, the less the grace of that office. Within the religious orders, there are distinctions of importance as well. There are the orders that are greater rank, whose members profess solemn vows, such as the canons regular, the monks, and the friars. And there are others with simple vows, etc. In those congregations without vows, some are bound by promises, and least of all, those bound by simple oblation. It is in this category that the Society of Saint Pius X falls. But this is not the only criterion to determine the importance of the office of superior.

    There are various ranks of congregations based upon their canonical importance. Some are orders in the strict sense, that enjoy being papally exempt, or of Pontifical Right. These have special privileges in law and can only be suppressed by the Holy See itself. The Society does not fall under this category. Then there are others that are of Diocesan Right, and again, the Society does not fall under this category either. At the very bottom, are what in the traditional Canon Law are named "Pious Unions". Those of this rank may be suppressed the most easily and enjoy the least privileges of law. This is the situation of the Society of Saint Pius X. Let us look at the decree of erection written by Bishop Charriere:''

    "The International Priestly Society of Saint Pius X is erected in our diocese as a Pious Union... We approve and confirm the Statutes, here joined, of the Society for a period of six years ad experimentum, which will be able to be renewed for a similar period by tacit approval; after which, the Society can be erected definitively in our diocese by the competent Roman Congregation..."

    We do not have to guess at the rank of the Society, or the importance of the office of its superior. The Church erected it as a Pious Union on an experimental basis for six years, at the end of which it could be approved for another six years as long as the bishop did not intervene. After that, it could be approved definitively by Rome. Now what is immediately apparent, is that it never got to the definitive stage. In 1976, there was the attempted suppression of the Society. Even if we admit the invalidity of this suppression by the then bishop in concert with the Holy See, we must also admit that the Roman Congregation mentioned did not give it any definitive status. It was certainly never approved by any decree elevating it to any higher rank. In the very best stretch of canonical imagination, it only remains a Pious Union, and that is being very generous indeed.

    So where does that leave Bishop Fellay? In the letter to the world's bishops following upon the lifting of the excommunications Bishop Fellay and his three fellow bishops by Pope Benedict XVI, the Pope explicitly states,

    "The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church."

    This statement on the part of the Pope is clear on one thing, at least, and that there is no office of the Superior General admitted by Rome, and thus no grace of state. For modern Rome the Society has no legitimate ministry in the Church, and that is the end of the question for the Holy See. Thus, there can be no argument that Rome admits any grace of state whatsoever, deriving from any legitimate office in the Society of Saint Pius X. This claim can certainly be denied on the basis of the present state of emergency, which derives firstly from the heresies and errors currently being forced upon the member of the Church by the hierarchy, the pope included.

    Even if we claim that Bishop Fellay still holds a legitimate office in the Church, this office cannot be greater than that given to the Society's head by the Church herself, namely as the head of a Pious Union. This is something, but it is worlds away from any supposed protection from error due to his office. If the Pope and all the bishops can be unfaithful to the graces of their offices, the highest established by Christ, then all the more so can Bishop Fellay, who is not even of the rank of the head of the Arch-confraternity of Our Lady of Perpetual Help!

    Archbishop Lefebvre was never so unskilled a theologian as to base his role in the crisis upon that of a supposed grace of office. By the time of the Society, he was archbishop-bishop emeritus of Tulle and the former Superior General of the Holy Ghost fathers. He was then the Superior General of the Society, and that soon passed into the hands of another. Archbishop Lefebvre did not base the rightness of his position on grace of state or of office. That is the absurdity of the present claim of Menzingen. A Pious Union has no claim to any infallibility. Even the office of Superior General extends only to what the Statutes give it, and that binds only the clerical members. No, the Archbishop defended his actions on another principle altogether, and refused the nonsensical appeal to a minuscule grace of office:

    "Don't say, 'We follow Mgr. Lefebvre,' No! Why Mgr. Lefebvre? He's no saint! But you follow Jesus Christ and the Tradition of the Church. You remain Catholic! What more do you want? No other thing!

    I refuse to say, "I am the chief of the people who follow tradition." No, no, no, no! I am a Catholic bishop, no more, and I continue my work to preach Catholic doctrine. I do my work to prepare Catholic priests, and through them, the Catholic faithful, and no other thing. No! Don't say "the doctrine of Mgr. Lefebvre." I have no doctrine. I have no new teaching. My teaching is that of the Church, the teaching of the Catholic Church and the catechism of the Council of Trent. That is very important - to remain in the true way - and not to give the impression that you have founded a new Church. That is what the Modernists are doing - they build a new church. We don't build a new church; we follow the Catholic Church of always.

    The grave error of Bishop Fellay is to invent a grace of state that mimics that of the Pope, and to impose by fear upon the priests and faithful this false reality. But if the Pope's grace of office has not stopped him from making the gravest of errors in every part of the Faith, even more so is it no protection for Bishop Fellay who can claim nothing but at most the grace joined to the office of Superior of a Pious Union. This novel claim on his part is enough to warn the faithful of doctrinal aberration. He has invented an ecclesiology of the Society that is not true. Secondly, he has deviated from the truth on other matters. To mention but one, the claim that he knew nothing of Bishop Williamson's ideas concerning the number of Jєωs killed under Hitler is blatantly untrue. Bishop Williamson's views were open and notorious. There was the affair in Canada long before the Swedish television incident. Every priest with any connection with Bishop Williamson knew about his ideas. And yet, Bishop Fellay publicly denied knowing anything. He only knew Bishop Williamson was a bit "eccentric" and this was laid at the feet of his being British. This should have been a warning that there was a grave problem. Then there was the flagrant violation of canon law concerning Bishop Williamson being excluded from the General Chapter. The canon given as an excuse had no bearing upon the matter at all. The trustworthiness of Bishop Fellay can never be restored, barred a miracle. Yet this is not even the gravest thing. The Society has invented its own laws concerning the discipline of the
    sacraments, the supervision of groups such as the Benedictines, the Dominicans, and the Capuchins, a situation nowhere envisioned in canon law for the head of a Pious Union.

    So we return to the question of the grace of state or of office enjoyed by Bishop Fellay. As a bishop without ordinary jurisdiction consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre, he enjoys the same grace of the episcopal state. He exists because the Roman authorities are not trustworthy and are enemies of the Faith objectively speaking. They cannot be trusted, as he now cannot be trusted. As to the grace of office, at most he possesses a grace that is attendant upon his role as superior of a Pious Union. That is at the very most, and that is small indeed. His importance is only based on his fidelity to the Tradition of the Church in the present crisis, to follow the Catholic Church of always.

    It is to be lamented that Bishop Fellay clings to the declaration that he sent to Rome so as to be approved, and that the blame is to be laid on the Roman authorities. Blame is to be laid everywhere byt at his own door. The General Chapter put out its six conditions for an agreement with Rome, reaffirming the betrayal. The Pope had refused Bishop Fellay's declaration before the General Chapter had taken place, and yet Bishop Fellay proceeds onward. Then, there is the declaration of the Three Bishops made for the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Society and in paragraph eleven we have the same door open to being approved by Rome. All dissent is followed by punishments, and this continues. Bishop Fellay, after all, has the grace of state. Indeed.

    Yet if we are asked, why the great concern about an agreement that never took place? We can answer that this was not because of any reticence on Bishop Fellay's part, but only on Rome's. Nothing has changed but the invention of a grace of state greater even than the Pope's. And so those who disagree with Bishop Fellay are Schismatics, protestants, rebels- all the names thrown once upon a time upon Archbishop Lefebvre. In his case, at least the person he stood against was the Pope. Now it is given to those who have left the new Catholic Church built upon Bishop Fellay. I choose the one founded by Christ.

    A final point might be made. In the quote from Pope Leo XIII we are reminded that unity of Faith is the first unity. Since when did modernist Rome convert to the one Faith? How can there be a union when there is no union? When is the unity of the Church built without the unity of the Faith? When anyone can show us that Rome now believes that the Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice offered to appease God who is offended by sin, that there is one and only one true Church- the others being false religions and hateful to God, that the Pope alone is head of the Church and not a college of bishops with him leading them, and that the right to worship God publicly according to his conscience, even when this conscience is wrong is a damnable lie, then please notify us. Otherwise, it is Assisi and a unity without Faith. That is the fruit desired by Bishop Fellay and his new doctrine of the meaning of grace of office.

    Posted by Reverend Father Marshall M. Roberts at 3:02 PM



    Offline Charlotte NC Bill

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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 06:44:16 PM »
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  • It's really interesting...I work in construction and I've worked with former armed robbers and former loan shark/extortionists...and I wouldn't associate with a Zionist, Mossad-connected, IDF Special Forces base visiting dung like Max Krah...Next time someone meets "Dr Krah" ask him to ask his buddies in the IDF what it's like to use children for target practice...what it's like to demolish other people's homes..what it's like to churn up other people's olive groves just to deprive them of a livelihood...what it's like to make a mother give birth at a checkpoint...is he proud of the Irgun's massacres and ethnic cleansing? Yeah, I wouldn't associate with him...
    When Humphrey Bogart was in charge of the Rat Pack ( before Frank ) they had a motto: never rat on a rat...Bogie would NEVER treat another member of his "Rat Pack" the way Bp Fellay treated Bp Williamson...It would seem Bogie had more honor than Bp Fellay...
    The more I ponder the Sup Gen...the more I'm convinced he has to go.


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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 07:19:59 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay lacks ordinary jurisdiction but instead of admitting that he claims a kind of superior jurisdiction.
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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 08:42:14 PM »
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  • Bp. Fellay has no mission from the Church.  He has orders, but has no more authority in the Church than a layman.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 10:02:17 PM »
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  • And the only people that may owe him any obedience at all, are those priests under him...not the faithful in the chapels...but one wouldn't know that by the way they intimidate the faithful with the 'state of grace' line....the sspx has turned into the Church of Fellay.


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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 11:03:59 PM »
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  • This topic also features on IA. Here Fr Roberts rebuts a criticism:
    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?s=06b1416d092e2bacd57b1d0940c1909a&showtopic=12775


    QUOTE (Nishant @ Jul 28 2013, 04:19 AM)
    Dear Father, thank you for the erudite essay.

    I don't think anyone is saying Bishop Fellay's grace of state as head of a pious union and Superior General of the Society means he is incapable of making mistakes. Rather, it has to do with how the Society chooses to operate and be governed.

    There are only three ways any organized society can operate or be governed, one is absolute monarchy, where the head rules all, the other a sort of collegial or collective rule, where a majority vote decides the direction the society will take, and the third is anarchy, where everyone does as he likes.

    The Society is really closer to the second than the first, and Bishop Fellay has said that he will not take any major decision of significance in future without consulting with his confreres and taking their collective insight and judgment into account.

    Bishop de Galarreta said a while ago, referring to one of the provisions of the General chapter, where it is said that a deliberative chapter is to be convened in case of a future Roman proposal,

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    "It was also decided in this Chapter that if ever the General House attained something valuable and interesting with these conditions, there would be a deliberative Chapter, which means that its decision is necessarily binding (on the members of the Society).  When there is a consultative Chapter, the authority asks for advice but then decides freely.  A deliberative Chapter means that the decision made by the absolute majority—one half of the votes plus one, which seemed reasonable to us—that decision will be followed by the Society.

    As the recent Chapter proved, on the day when we were able to speak face to face, as it should be, we overcame the problem of the misunderstandings that we had experienced.  It is evident that a deliberative Chapter is a very wise and sufficient measure for possibly approving what will have been obtained from Rome.  For it is almost impossible that with the majority the Superior of the Society… [starting the sentence over:]—after a frank discussion, an in-depth analysis of all the aspects, of all the ins and outs—it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter."


    Namely, that with a moral certitude we can say a collective decision of this nature will not be mistaken.

    As for the unceasing attack on the person of Bishop Fellay, I ask a few questions.

    Can it be reasonably denied that in all the measures in favor of Tradition in recent years, Bishop Fellay's skill and tenacity played the major role? Is it not largely due to him that Rome was forced to admit the traditional Mass was never abrogated, that every priest has the right to say it? Can it not be seen that these things have the potential to make a vast difference in the situation of the mainstream Church in a few decades, and prepare the way for a truly universal restoration of the traditional Mass? Doesn't the fact that Bishop Fellay insisted on, and obtained, the precondition of doctrinal discussions show the primacy of place he accords to doctrine? Didn't he choose the best of the best among the Society's theologians to make the case for Tradition to the Roman authorities? Isn't the fact that many in the mainstream Church, even in high positions of authority, several others beside Gherardhini and Amerio, are beginning to echo the Society's critique of the Council in light of the perennial Magisterium?

    Those who would actually venture to deny all that close their eyes to the reality, refuse to give credit where credit is due, and dump Bishops and priests who have proved their loyalty and fidelity to Tradition, over and over again day in and day out for decades, under the bus at the first opportunity.

    And if one admits, as I hope you will, Father, that Bishop Fellay has certainly shown and done at least in some respects in the past good things for the cause of Tradition, then certainly His Excellency deserves at the very least the benefit of the doubt.
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    QUOTE: Fr Roberts
    First of all, I like the calmness of your reply and the presentation of the argument in favour of Bishop Fellay. You obviously do not accept the widespread "grace of state" argument as the principal one.

    However, I would like to respond to your defense.
    I think that the monarchical model is actually the closer one, for even a king uses counselors in order to make a wise decision. The fact that there was the letter from the three bishops warning Bishop Fellay of his actions, which he took secretly and in opposition to the other bishops, shows that consultation was not even used, if we consider the other bishops as principal counselors. However, my position is not based on that tactical error. My complaint is that his actions are harmful to Tradition because they are based on a false notion of unity. Only secondarily does the question of injustice come in. Even a king only reigns truly if he rules justly. Does Rome profess the true Faith integrally or not? If yes, there is not a problem. If no, then there is a false notion of unity. This is why in the face of grave error like we see now, any show of unity is a falsehood, for there cannot be unity based on anything except the Faith. The end (helping Tradition) can never justify a false means (pretense of unity without unity). Now, whether a decision towards approval from Rome is approved by himself alone or a Chapter is beside the point. There is not the slightest certitude of Divine inspiration if such a decision is arrived at by the Chapter, since God has not promised any indefectibility to the SSPX, whether Superior General or Chapter. A decision of unity without unity of Faith would merely demonstrate the extension of infidelity to Tradition within the Society. In fact, the great Orders within the Church, such as the Dominicans or Benedictines, accepted en masse all the errors of the Council. Where was the protection so that the Pope and his counselors would not fall into grave error themselves? And we have moral certitude regarding the Society?

    Now, I would like to reply to the general referral of the successes of Bishop Fellay for Tradition. You mention two, though many mention three. There is the Motu Proprio, the Roman theological discussions, and we might add, the lifting of the excommunications, though I do not charge you with mentioning it.

    As for the first, the Motu Proprio must be one of the singular victories of Modernism, even as were the decrees of the Council. You point to the question of the Old Rite never having been abrogated, and I point to the clear position in the same docuмent that the two rites are not two but only one, and that there and can be no contradiction between these two forms of the same rite. Thus, is the entire fight for Tradition destroyed. For if this monstrous claim is true, then the entire battle was in vain and in fact disobedience to the Pope. No, the New Rite is contrary to the teaching of the nature of the Mass, especially as defined at the Council of Trent. It must be destroyed. Thus, even as the conservatives point to some passages in a Conciliar text that seem to support them, so do the liberals point to other clear texts that contradict Tradition. This Motu Proprio basically says that the entire traditional movement was based on a misunderstanding, since no contradiction of any kind exists. It is a docuмent of the devil.

    Secondly, there is the theological commission. This proved an utter failure, since Rome did not budge on a single thing. This should not have been surprising since it was never a question of the Romans never having heard the traditional stand. They had read the Archbishop's interventions in the reign of John-Paul II before the consecrations. No, they simply didn't believe the traditional position. That is not a victory for Bishop Fellay, but a profound lack of understanding the Roman authorities.

    Thirdly, there was the lifting of the excommunications. The premise for this was wrong, since the Pope said that now that the bishops accepted the papal primacy, then to life the excommunications was only a matter of justice. But as there was never a denial of the papal primacy, this was absurd. Likewise, the excommunications are treated as having been real- and this was blatantly untrue. Thirdly, the actions of 1988 were not in the least admitted by Rome to have been justified. Fourthly, the Archbishop and Bishop de Castro Mayer were left in the state of infamy- though Rome had lifted the excommunication of Michael Cerularius beginning the Orthodox schism, under Paul VI, and that without any repentance on that dead prelate's part!

    These terrible defeats for Tradition do nothing to show the wisdom of Bishop Fellay, but rather his desire to solve a supernatural problem with natural means. "Just approve us, and we will gradually bring back Tradition". That will solve nothing. The Fraternity has been around since 1988, along with others, and no conversion has taken place. Neither can conversion happen if the SSPX stands approved along side Focolare, the Neo-Catechumenal Way, and others that posit a contradictory Catholicism aong side it. All if would prove is that Tradition is just one flavour alongside others, and that would be the ultimate betrayal of Christ.
       

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    Bishop Fellay and the Grace of State
    « Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 07:35:40 PM »
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  • These accordistas are very shameless to even try to say the argument of the "grace of state" wasn't used it by ExSSPX. Unbelievable!