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Offline manilavanilla

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Bishop Faure vs the Internet
« on: April 05, 2018, 12:14:17 PM »
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  • B. Faure attacks technology.

    Cathinfo members will be interested to learn that Bishop Faure in his bulletin of the SAJM has made clear the way he wants he seminarians formed; to turn their nose up at the "electronic world".

    Here is the quote from his bulletin : (speaking to his seminarians) "You will be separated from the world and its' concupiscences. Particularly you will separate yourself from the electronic world, which refuses to accept dependence on the Good Lord; Modern man fights against his Creator by destroying his interior life and soul, and having a totally profane and exterior behavior" ("Seminary news" - Winter 2018, SAJM - https://seminaireavrille.org/)

    Positive interpretation: The Bishop is simply warning us against technology addiction, and encouraging us to have a deeper prayer life. What could be wrong with this?

    Negative interpretation (and the true one); The reality is that the practical manifestation of this is discouraging faithful from looking at the internet and particularly forums, which some priests say are gossip dens, so that the faithful may not come to know the truth about certain issues.

    Priests have to be in the world but not of it. Discouraging them from using technology will not help them to be as cunning as serpents, as Our Lord asks us to be.

    The problem is the wording of his remarks. Technology is not evil in itself. Like everything in this life it must be limited, and excess of anything is a sin. Certainly we want our children to be well formed and not start "swiping left" when reading books as some do now. But we need to make good use of technology, especially where it is the last place where the truth can be found when it has been banned everywhere else.

    If the Bishop had wanted to say that he wanted his seminarians to avoid worldliness, then he should have said avoid worldly websites. Even twitter can be used well, if done properly, so it is excessive to tell them to "separate from the electronic world", as in practically all of it. No doubt he will claim this is not what he means. However his words are too vague to be interpreted in the right way.

    His words can be too easily interpreted as an attack on technology itself, rather than principles (worldly ones), the latter being what he intended.

    Some other notes: The "electronic world" is vague in other ways also. He could be meaning worldly people on the internet. But if this is the case, the same can be said of any other medium. There is no need to single out the internet more than books or newspapers, or simply people we meet in real life. Clearly people on Cathinfo are not refusing to accept dependence on God, and clearly internet technology in itself does not do this. It is bad people who use it who refuse this dependence.

    By putting "electronic" before "world", rather than saying "the wordly in the electronic domain", people think of technology being bad, rather than people being bad. Technology is a part of life, and we will meet bad people everywhere. The "world" will have to be avoided everywhere. It is no more the case in technology than elsewhere. Good use and discipline must be made of it, as in all things, but that is not the same as avoiding it altogether.

    - By a faithful, but concerned member of the resistance


    Offline Meg

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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 01:04:26 PM »
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  • B. Faure attacks technology.


    Clearly people on Cathinfo are not refusing to accept dependence on God, and clearly internet technology in itself does not do this. It is bad people who use it who refuse this dependence.


    Yeah, well, Cath Info is not a seminary.

    I suppose that Bp. Faure should check with the laity in order to get their approval before he makes the rules for the seminary. That seems to be what you're saying. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #2 on: April 05, 2018, 01:07:19 PM »
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  • Actually, he is referring to their whole lives as priests. Not just to their time in the seminary. This is clear from the sermon

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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #3 on: April 05, 2018, 01:14:17 PM »
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  • When a new member needs about 24 sentences to "explain" and criticize one sentence written by a Resistance bishops, I cannot help but think about Fr. Pfeiffer and his cohorts.

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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 01:22:05 PM »
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  • When a seminarian or a nun is in formation especially during the postulancy, novitiate, and the formative years (first five years), then it is imperative that they pray, live, and immerse themselves in the study the Holy Scriptures, the Gospels, the Psalms, the lives of the Holy Saints, the writings of the Church Fathers, theology, etc., so that they are well grounded in the faith.
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    During these formative years, there is no time for Internet activities such as participation on forums and on social media. Scholastic use of the Internet would be limited to searching scholastic sites containing theology, scripture, the lives of the Holy Saints, the writings of the Church Fathers, etc.
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    I am sure that past and current seminarians and nuns will verify this. Their days are already packed with set prayer, sleep, work, study, and recreation times, so there is really no time to dabble on social media sites and at forums.
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    Once these seminarians are ordained to the priesthood and the nuns take their vows, there is still not much time left in their days as there are duties to perform in the monastery or priory along with the recitation of the Divine Office, preparation of sermons, rehearsing the antiphons and hymns for various feast days, and lesson plan preparations  by those who teach.
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    Certain people and websites can be sought out by clergy and religious to keep them informed of important events in the world such as planned civil unrest and violence so that they may avoid dangerous areas in their travels. Otherwise, these clergy and religious have dedicated their entire lives to the Lord, so they should not be involved on the Internet, as that is part of the world, from which they have withdrawn. We need their prayers and advice to remain grounded in the faith.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 02:16:54 PM »
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  • Yesterday, in the section of "Catholics Living in the Modern World" I copied an email from Fr. Girouard to his parishioners, telling them of his latest (and third) post on his website (Bastion of the Faith), concerning social medias. Consequently, a member asked if Father was talking against forums such as Cathinfo. Here is what I answered:

    I asked Fr. Girouard, and he said that his 3 posts on the Bastion of the Faith were firstly directed at Facebook and other such platforms, like linkeldin and others. Father is using Cathinfo as a source of information, but he doesn't waste time "discussing" topics. He is just looking for news and facts, not for the personal opinions of other people. He said that no matter what we do, we have to make sure we do not waste the precious time God has lent to us in this life. Cathinfo and other sites should be used not for vain curiosity or to promote one's personal opinions, but to help us learn what is going on that can be useful. He said that the dossiers that grew up on Cathinfo about "bishop" Ambrose Moran and Father Tetherow are good examples of how useful a forum can be. The danger is when we spend too much time on a platform.

    Below, I copied and pasted from the home page of the Bastion the headers of his three posts. If you want to access his website, just click here: https://thebastion.faith/

    Warning: Beware Zombie Mass-Producing Tools!
    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Apr 4, 2018 | public
    Mr. Paul Joseph Watson, on Infowars, talks about a new study revealing how Facebook users experience more stress than other people, and how social medias are geared to transform users into zombie-like addicts.
    read more

    Facebook Helped Anti-Privacy Group
    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Mar 27, 2018 | public
    We should always remember that, in this world, nothing is for free. If somebody starts a social media platform, it is with the goal of making movey…
    read more

    Wanting To Help You Hate Facebook And Cohorts
    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Mar 25, 2018 | public
    I always told you I hated Facebook and such other gismatic fling-flang, and I feel vindicated now, following the scandal revealed last week about Facebook… But there is a way to know what they know about you…
    read more


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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #6 on: April 05, 2018, 03:59:27 PM »
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  • My guess is that practically speaking it will manifest itself in not having personal electronic devices.  And, I think that is a good thing.  But, I would like to know what he means by "which refuses to accept dependence on the good lord".  That sounds as though he is referring to what concerns the "information age" mentality that is at the heart of this electronic addiction.  Where, we all want to know or perhaps understand above our ability/state in life.  And, that can be concerning in one sense.  But, not in another.  I doubt it means that +Faure's outfit will not have a computer or internet accessible to a select few who are skilled with the pitfalls of the internet information age who will be able to navigate it for the benefit of the community.  This is placing myself in his shoes.  But, who knows.  Wait and see. 

    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Bishop Faure vs the Internet
    « Reply #7 on: April 05, 2018, 04:12:27 PM »
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  • My guess is that practically speaking it will manifest itself in not having personal electronic devices.  And, I think that is a good thing.  But, I would like to know what he means by "which refuses to accept dependence on the good lord".  That sounds as though he is referring to what concerns the "information age" mentality that is at the heart of this electronic addiction.  Where, we all want to know or perhaps understand above our ability/state in life.  And, that can be concerning in one sense.  But, not in another.  I doubt it means that +Faure's outfit will not have a computer or internet accessible to a select few who are skilled with the pitfalls of the internet information age who will be able to navigate it for the benefit of the community.  This is placing myself in his shoes.  But, who knows.  Wait and see.

    No doubt, +Faure and many other bishops know highly educated married professional men who serve as computer programmers and IT specialists. This is the beauty of the Church. Laity and clergy can work together to serve God. This will allow the clergy to devote more time to God and help us to save our souls.
    Lord have mercy.